How will you teach hitting?

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Sorry, but there is no such thing as "shoulders loaded". Either loading or unloading.

I have a picture here of Hank Aaron he looks like he is ready to hit. Are they loading /unloading or loaded.

*****......... *****

In hitting, torque is a fallacy.....

now BlueDog...really..how do you measure the hips a few frames ahead of the shoulders then. I know your not that pure Ny-man.

OBTW...did he add something to posture connect rotate like SEND THE BAT BARREL BACKWARDS. Has that been there or did he just learn it was a big part of the MLB swing. He sure said it. Maybe he was afraid people were realizing it really was important and he was afraid we would think Mankin reported it OVER AND OVER AND OVER

He posted it as he fired Steve on set-pro and chastized and disowned Mark H.

"In hitting, torque is a fallacy"

Epstein spoke by invitation to the 3500 members of the ABCA as the keynote speaker on this chosen subject.

You, Linear, against 3500 ABCA members and a guy that played college, pro ball and teaches lectures, writes for Collegiate Baseball, Certifies coaches, ....people fly from all over the worlds to seee him and has sold 50,000 DVDs and as many or more hitting books. He has made taching his life's mission.

these are the kind of statements that lost Ny-mans credability...Why follow that. NO torque...spinning is good, close off the lead foot, two stage teaching, ....weak and incorrect stuff..we ain't playing fastpitch here

And what have any of us done close to EPSTEIN..you go first

I can answer that, loading

Guys_Guys

Sorry I'm in the middle of this volitale situation and apologize because I can tell you guys do mean business and I definitely don't want to get caught in the cross-fire. ITS wasn't kidding.

I have no horse with loaded saddle-bags in this race. Simply want to discuss hitting.

Definitely been away tooo longgg...

Sincerely,
Shep-unloading now-lol

Shep,

You should always feel free to participate.

Also - use the low underbrush as cover when necessary - and watch out for the hyenas - we have a few of those too. LOL

Shep


Welcome to world of Linear and Blue Dog

They have all the answers for you---just ask them

HIt

They just keep adding rocks to their backpacks ...its getting heavy

How about some other nymanisms for starters:

Arm strength doesn't matter

Top hand is along for the ride

There is no such thing as tht, just a torqu ing force applied to the bat by back arm inertia that greatly quickens the swing

or some he thought he had to revise:

upper and lower body are separate motor programs

Griffey has the best swing

scap loading isn't that important in hitting

others?

Linear, all I am saying is maybe being just a slight bit earlier on your load. I am not saying to get your foot down while the pitcher is holding the ball or anything. Listen if you are just getting your foot down when the ball is crossing the plate, then you have absolutely no lower stability to hit the ball with any power. Atleast getting into a hitting position a slight bit earlier - will give you a more stable lower half. I cannot see how anyone would disagree with this. Michael Young (Rangers) bought into this and became a hitting leader. Hank Blaylock did not and had a very subpar season. Again all I am talking about is a very slight adjustment.

Re: pitchers trying to mess up your timing. This is nothing new - the good ones do a good job in this area. This is why a batter has to have a CONSISTENT timing approach - no matter what the pitcher is doing. You cannot come up with a different timing mechanism for every pitcher. You have to have a consistent approach - no matter what the pitcher is doing.

Getting into a hitting position slightly earlier, etc. helps you slow the ball down and I believe helps you see the ball better.

Again we are not talking extremes in this case. Just a slight and more consistent approach to timing.

Lets do Top hand along for ride >

I'll start>Thats just on another board, golf I believe it is-lol

Piazza, definite top-hand hitter.

its-

done.

bad show.

just couldn't resist.

will try to turn over new leaf.

Tom,

Thank you.

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Originally posted by swingbuster:

quote:

Sorry, but there is no such thing as "shoulders loaded". Either loading or unloading.

I have a picture here of Hank Aaron he looks like he is ready to hit. Are they loading /unloading or loaded.

*****......... *****

"I have a picture of Hank Aaron....."


This folks is living proof if you needed more than what he's already given.

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..And what have any of us done close to EPSTEIN..you go first

I guess this means you believe in the fence drill.

I guess you believe in elbow slotting.

I guess you believe in ALL your weight remaining over the back leg.

I guess you believe the rear elbow can lead the rear hand.

I guess you believe in drop and tilt.

I guess you believe in weathervaning for God's sake.

He's almost as much of a quack as Mike Marshall. Not quite, but close.

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Originally posted by swingbuster:
And what have any of us done close to EPSTEIN..you go first

Thats an easy one.

We are active - and devoted - members of the HSBBWEB.

I do not believe Epstein has done that.

Strike one on Mike.

New Ny-man quote "posture, connect, rotate, get the barrel going backwards"

At what point did your egomaniancal guru get some new religion. It is now a simple FOUR step process. He invented plagarism.

He and Engishbey fighting over the rights to three words and then boom...there comes the fourth phrase.

Did he finally see hand torque....took him 4 years after Mankin described it. Quick learner

THe tee drill Steve is doing on the "mother of all pathetic post".... I assume is teaching connection. If you taught it any later you would hit the ball into the catcher.

I guess if spinning is your swing you better get used to a very late connection

Teacherman-

You have definitely got the dogma down.

A few more protestations of faith like that and you may get out of the doghouse.

I hear they have some openings over at the scientific site.

You can help perfect the no arm action/no torque fastpitch swing.
Trouble is it might not be best there except maybe in the mens game.

At least Epstein and Lau are describing the actual high level baseball swing.

I don't think you create the baseball swing from the middle out, you have to work the ends of the body against each other(thigh/hips vs arms/scaps).

But maybe I'm not scientistic enough as they say on the Colbert Report.

Does the swing have to be so scientific?==why not just show them?

Young players do not understand the terms used anyway

Isn't it better to be "one on one" and show them what you mean without all the misunderstood terms ???---

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Originally posted by swingbuster:
New Ny-man quote "posture, connect, rotate, get the barrel going backwards"...

Misquoting people is swingbusters main artillery. His mechanics won't stand up so he misquotes others. 3 or 4 examples of it in this thread alone.

And, he loves to air others dirty laundry.....helps detract from the holes in his hitting theory.

Keep those arms moving, Swingbuster. Let me know when you want them to connect.

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Originally posted by tom.guerry:

At least Epstein...is describing the actual high level baseball swing.

Right, Tom. Now, visit his site and look at the good swing examples he posts. Better yet, tell us right here, have you ever seen a mlb hitter that looked like this guy????

These are examples of "his work".

When is the last time you saw a mlb hitter fall back toward the catcher when he swings?





I know this is a still picture. I'm not computer smart enough to get his .gifs to work here. Go to http://www.mikeepsteinhitting.com and play the .gifs. Your only conclusion can be.......QUACK.

Yet, he's Tom's boy.

The most interesting thing about this thread is that MOST of you would dissagree on how to teach hitting........ and most of the hitters you'd teach would end up looking pretty much the same.
Rollerman

Mine don't look like that.

i'd hope nobody's would look like that.

I'd take that nice looking young man and his swing. Not high level yet, but on a known path with a known destination.Not headed for the late connection spinning version of dead hands no-stride,which is a good thing since he's playing baseball.

Now it's confirmed......You're both dishonest.

For all other posters, please check out the videos of the others so you can get a clear picture of this "known path" and this "known destination".

QUACK QUACK

That was a very good illustration of a "young" hitter who is well on his way. Definitely hitting against a firm/rigid front side.

Reminds me of a early pictures of Tiger Woods

P.S.(That rocking back motion must be attributed to the paint roller at the end of the extension not seen in picture; reminds me of how I used to rock back when swinging a rake when I was about that age and how I would rock back-lol Is it a paint roller or rake?)

Shep

teach-

that is a compliment coming from you.

Rollerman

Just read your post and say from my humble observation it seems as if everybody who disagrees has their own hitting philosophy and using this board to sell it-LOL

I do have to say however, these guys are very good.

Shep

Shep,

Its' fun isnt it? And informative too.

From my perspective - I liken it to the old Mutual of Omaha show - "Wild Kingdom". I am Marlon Perkins (god rest his soul). I walk around with newcomers and point out the lions and tigers and hyenas. (And occasionally - the carcasses strewn about the plains). LOL

ITS

I do want to thank you for the personal escort through the jungle here.

Feel like your my bodyguard-Where do I send the check?-lol

And your right it is entertaining but informative at the same time

Shep

raiderbb,

Nice soundtrack at website.

Do you have "put me in coach"-like that one too.

Shep

ITS

You have a PM

Shep

Shep,

I looked - but it isnt there yet.

ITS

Should be there now, thought I had to add you to contact list

Apologize,
Shep

PS(Now there though, I hope)

posture connect rotate.......oops and get the bat barrel going back .........if you know how.

Working top half against the bottom defines how the middle works. THere is no other way to work the middle.

***** did not know how to work the top half back .... he should have listened to Mankin about the top and Epstein about the bottom simply taken credit for the end result

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Does the swing have to be so scientific?==why not just show them?

Young players do not understand the terms used anyway

Isn't it better to be "one on one" and show them what you mean without all the misunderstood terms ???---

TRhit

Definately one on one is the best way to go. As Cal and Billy Ripkin say, "celebrate the individual." And as I mentioned before, I thinks it's best to throw some specific science stuff as well as some simple non-science stuff when teaching the hitter.

Still no denial.

My only claim to fame is starting the biggest thread on the HSBBW.

I'm starting to worry, might have to talk to Julie and have her delete this thread if it continues to grow!

Somehow, I think it's going to continue to grow.

You know all they would do is start a new thread with same or similiar topic-

Shepster