I guess we scared him off.
PASSION,
With all due respect… We see more hitters who are actually too early rather than too late. I think it’s a product of not wanting to be late. You see this a lot on all pitches other than the fastball and it’s probably the biggest reason many hitters have trouble with breaking balls. The hitter who gets his stride foot down too late would have the worst timing imaginable.
The top hand palm should be facing up at contact would be the general consensus, and if the knob ever got out over the plate hitting would be next to impossible. IMO
However, I sure do agree with your thoughts on timing, however I don’t think it’s overlooked at all.
With all due respect… We see more hitters who are actually too early rather than too late. I think it’s a product of not wanting to be late. You see this a lot on all pitches other than the fastball and it’s probably the biggest reason many hitters have trouble with breaking balls. The hitter who gets his stride foot down too late would have the worst timing imaginable.
The top hand palm should be facing up at contact would be the general consensus, and if the knob ever got out over the plate hitting would be next to impossible. IMO
However, I sure do agree with your thoughts on timing, however I don’t think it’s overlooked at all.
By the time I could reply to PASSION there were 8 posts! 
Sorry for being reduntant.
Sorry for being reduntant.
You can bet if the knob is ever over the plate that hitter is a sweeper and we all know what that means. Lots of extra firewood-lol
Timing is important and sometimes does need an adjustment in certain situations.(especially for a rookie who has a P72 or M110 in his hands for the first time after swinging an aluminum bat several ounces lighter for his entire baseball career up to that point)
You guys have been waiting in the wings. Patience is a future around here.
Good Stuff, Keep it coming!
Shep
Timing is important and sometimes does need an adjustment in certain situations.(especially for a rookie who has a P72 or M110 in his hands for the first time after swinging an aluminum bat several ounces lighter for his entire baseball career up to that point)
You guys have been waiting in the wings. Patience is a future around here.
Good Stuff, Keep it coming!
Shep
PG
You gotta to be fast around a couple of these guys.
Shep
You gotta to be fast around a couple of these guys.
Shep
Geeze - I feel like I just watched one of those Nature shows (on fast forward) - where the Lions chase down the Baby Gazelle - and eat it for lunch.
I'm pissed that bbscout got a post in the middle of my five.
I'm not as fast as I used to be.
I'm not as fast as I used to be.
You guys remind me of a bunch of gladiators hungry and chomping at the bit waiting like lions for the next rookie to enter your ring so you can devour him_LOL
Shep
Shep
Shep,
Actually - over the years - Linear has chewed on my leg a few times.
But I used my core - and some arm/hand/wrist action to fight him off.
LOL
Linear - you got to admit - that aint bad as analogies go.
Actually - over the years - Linear has chewed on my leg a few times.
But I used my core - and some arm/hand/wrist action to fight him off.
LOL
Linear - you got to admit - that aint bad as analogies go.
It looks like I too may just get chewed up a little and will try to take it like a man-so linear and BB, if your listening, I will assume yall are, have mercy on this rusty old instructor.
I am coachable though just not always right.
Is that what you wanted to hear sirs? LOL
Shep
I am coachable though just not always right.
Is that what you wanted to hear sirs? LOL
Shep
Shep,
Sounds like you have been away for awhile.
Heres the scenario:
The gazelle comes in - sometimes wounded.
Linear will inflict the bite.
PG, bbscout and a few other coaches will add wisdom and varying perspective.
I will come in after the kill, and make a smart-*** comment.
Bluedog will then call me a bad name.
And then we will start all over again.
LOL
P.S. Actually - I think alot of folks learn some things during this "hunting process" - so it is usually worth it IMO (The Gazelle may not agree with that conclusion)
Sounds like you have been away for awhile.
Heres the scenario:
The gazelle comes in - sometimes wounded.
Linear will inflict the bite.
PG, bbscout and a few other coaches will add wisdom and varying perspective.
I will come in after the kill, and make a smart-*** comment.
Bluedog will then call me a bad name.
And then we will start all over again.
LOL
P.S. Actually - I think alot of folks learn some things during this "hunting process" - so it is usually worth it IMO (The Gazelle may not agree with that conclusion)
Just looking for prey!
Anyone seen TR?
Anyone seen TR?
That must be a repeating process for the scenerio to be so clear and plausible, for sure.
Time to Sign-Off for the Night.
Had a great day for a change. Thank you all.
Sincerely,
Shep
Time to Sign-Off for the Night.
Had a great day for a change. Thank you all.
Sincerely,
Shep
Linear,
Now now.
Tuck your fangs back in - please.
And good night.
Now now.
Tuck your fangs back in - please.
And good night.
Holy cr*p, we have 40 pages of this stuff. First I'd like to thank Linear for making this topic more difficult than it should have been, and the BlueDog for supporting him.
ps, Richard (Linear) when are you going to start offering Chicken Tenders on your menu?
ps, Richard (Linear) when are you going to start offering Chicken Tenders on your menu?
quote:Another fine point is to always keep the top hand palm facing the pitcher - even on the load. This will help you to be shorter to the ball.
Passion..please come back...finally a guy that gets it.
THey have no clue how the loading process works and how it determines naturally when the foot gets down.
I feel like Cinderella left the party.... find the guys that fits that slipper.
Maybe the cue of the year..seriously. Maybe if they get this they can see it
Guys...keep the top hand palm tilted and facing the pitcher during the entire load..... until the bat flattens. This is maintaining the box through 1/2 the rotation..changing relative elbow positions..shortest most connected route to the ball that gets the barrel working in the right direction ....geez.
You are so quick to be the the thread cop and insult rather than clarify you miss the real teachers....this guys is brillant,
No wonder your stuck on stupid
God Bless Passion ...something to take to the field
swingbuster
According the "BOBBSY TWINS", Linear and Blue Dog , Passion knows nothing.
Perhaps that is because he gets it and they don't.
The "TWINS" continue to offer no substance but abuse all posters who oppose the "GURUS" proclamations
Have you ever seen an internet model hit .300 in any league at any level?
You can talk all the physics and dynamics you want but teaching htting is still "one on one" because every baseball player is unique until himself.
Quick thought: Stan Musial--one of the greatest hitters of all time--do you teach kids to emulate his stance? I think not
Even the NLB hitting coaches have their own style and belief--there is no absolute in baseball as each player is differnet in ability, physical makeup, eyesight etc--
Just a few thoughts
According the "BOBBSY TWINS", Linear and Blue Dog , Passion knows nothing.
Perhaps that is because he gets it and they don't.
The "TWINS" continue to offer no substance but abuse all posters who oppose the "GURUS" proclamations
Have you ever seen an internet model hit .300 in any league at any level?
You can talk all the physics and dynamics you want but teaching htting is still "one on one" because every baseball player is unique until himself.
Quick thought: Stan Musial--one of the greatest hitters of all time--do you teach kids to emulate his stance? I think not
Even the NLB hitting coaches have their own style and belief--there is no absolute in baseball as each player is differnet in ability, physical makeup, eyesight etc--
Just a few thoughts
“Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It knows that it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death.
So…it doesn’t matter whether you are a lion or a gazelle…When the sun comes up, you’d better be running." LOL!
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It knows that it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death.
So…it doesn’t matter whether you are a lion or a gazelle…When the sun comes up, you’d better be running." LOL!
BB
It's all coming back to me now about scholarship with little BB or BFM in LA.
2005 MLB Draft- 34th pick/36th round of the Nationals???
Wow! Congratulations and hope he will follow with banner year his senior year and stock will rise. That will be my updated prayer-seriously
Shep
It's all coming back to me now about scholarship with little BB or BFM in LA.
2005 MLB Draft- 34th pick/36th round of the Nationals???
Wow! Congratulations and hope he will follow with banner year his senior year and stock will rise. That will be my updated prayer-seriously
Shep
I'm back - just got on the site. Wow! Couple of followup items.
I am surprised by some of the comments re: timing. Talk to most hitting coaches in the minors and majors and they will tell you that most mlb hitters are late 60% of the time. This is a statistic that was given to be by a professional hitting coach. Being late (and I mean just a fraction) is a big problem - not being early. At the high school and college level the %'s are alot higher. Again if you are late getting into a hitting position (even by a hair) you will greatly worsen your ability to make solid contact. For alot of hitters - it is not their swing that is the big problem - it is their timing. Just my opinion.
Re: the "palm facing the pitcher" - I was referring to the load and not the point of contact. Alot of batters when they load have a tendancy to rotate their wrist on the load. Just a slight rotation (quarter of an inch) can greatly break down the swing. Again just my opinion.
I am surprised by some of the comments re: timing. Talk to most hitting coaches in the minors and majors and they will tell you that most mlb hitters are late 60% of the time. This is a statistic that was given to be by a professional hitting coach. Being late (and I mean just a fraction) is a big problem - not being early. At the high school and college level the %'s are alot higher. Again if you are late getting into a hitting position (even by a hair) you will greatly worsen your ability to make solid contact. For alot of hitters - it is not their swing that is the big problem - it is their timing. Just my opinion.
Re: the "palm facing the pitcher" - I was referring to the load and not the point of contact. Alot of batters when they load have a tendancy to rotate their wrist on the load. Just a slight rotation (quarter of an inch) can greatly break down the swing. Again just my opinion.
Passion,
Do you mean like a hitch in the rotation of the wrists in loading sort of like Hank Aaron?
Shep
Do you mean like a hitch in the rotation of the wrists in loading sort of like Hank Aaron?
Shep
quote:Originally posted by PASSION:
...most mlb hitters are late 60% of the time. ...
Really? So your answer is to be early 100% of the time.
Please proof think your posts.
In followup to Linear's response.
Re: timing you can be early, on time or late. My suggestion is to be on time 100% of the time.
Linear it is not that complex - quit making it so.
Re: timing you can be early, on time or late. My suggestion is to be on time 100% of the time.
Linear it is not that complex - quit making it so.
Passion,
You may just have a valid point here about timing being more of a problem than the actual swing.
So many times, it is obvious that a hitter can be over-matched by a blazing fastball with good movement and simply can't catch up to the ball.
So many times, the actual plane of the bat as determined by message sent to brain via hand/eye coordination doesn't figure in that unidentified late movement-lol This will cause you to miss the ball with bat anyway.
Food-for-thought
Shep
You may just have a valid point here about timing being more of a problem than the actual swing.
So many times, it is obvious that a hitter can be over-matched by a blazing fastball with good movement and simply can't catch up to the ball.
So many times, the actual plane of the bat as determined by message sent to brain via hand/eye coordination doesn't figure in that unidentified late movement-lol This will cause you to miss the ball with bat anyway.
Food-for-thought
Shep
quote:Originally posted by PASSION:
...My suggestion is to be on time 100% of the time.
Nice goal. Now a taste of reality.
Why doesn't anyone hit a 1000? Because it's impossible. Hitting is very difficult. Pitchers are paid nice money to make sure you aren't "on time 100% of the time".
So, now you come along with a number that says hitters are late 60% of the time. Really? Well, the best hitters in the world hit .300. For the most part, they are on time 30% of the time. I bet their timing is off a very high percentage of the other 70%. And you want us to believe its better to be early than late. (your words....better to be early than late)
I can guarantee you a loss in BA and a loss in power numbers if their goal is to get their foot down early.
Yes, it's complex. Much more than you know.
Here is another scenerio:
How much can a hitter's hands change the swing- plane while making hand-eye adjustments with continuous updated messages sent to the brain while tracking ball with eyes to impact, and how much power is lost, if any, as the bat changes swing planes throughout this hitting process?
Shep
How much can a hitter's hands change the swing- plane while making hand-eye adjustments with continuous updated messages sent to the brain while tracking ball with eyes to impact, and how much power is lost, if any, as the bat changes swing planes throughout this hitting process?
Shep
The above mentioned scenerio refers to a situation of late-movement of baseball as hitter tracks ball to impact. 
Even if your timing is correct 100% you still won't hit 1.000-- too many things involved---this is a taste of reality
I do not see the correlation between being on time 30% and hitting .300 --in theory a batter can be "on time" 100% of the time and still hit .300
I am with Passion in that some posters, coaches and so-called instructional websites make hitting more difficult that it truly is.
I am not saying that hitting is not difficult , just that some try to make it much more difficult than it really is
I do not see the correlation between being on time 30% and hitting .300 --in theory a batter can be "on time" 100% of the time and still hit .300
I am with Passion in that some posters, coaches and so-called instructional websites make hitting more difficult that it truly is.
I am not saying that hitting is not difficult , just that some try to make it much more difficult than it really is
Would it be advantageous for the hitter to start swing earlier in the above mentioned case of late movement of pitch?
Shep
Shep
It seems to me the hitter would simply seal his fate sooner-lol
SHEP
For me this is where the eye/brain connection comes in--some just get the signal quicker than others
For me this is where the eye/brain connection comes in--some just get the signal quicker than others
Linear - point well taken. All of this is very complex.
All I am saying is that in a majority of the cases, hitters get themselves fully loaded and into a hitting position too late. If you took my 60% number to heart it would look something like this:
A batter loads and is in a hitting position too _________ _____% of the time.
1. early 10% of the time
2. on time 30% of the time
3. late 60% of the time
I am talking about getting ready to hit the ball (fully loaded) and not when you swing.
Looking at the statistics above - tell me where the focus needs to be on trying to be ready on time more than you have been.
Next time you go to a high school game, college or any game and watch the batters and see if they are loading too late. Most of the batters will be starting their load after the pitcher has released the ball and getting their foot down right when the ball is crossing the plate. I mean you will see this in 6 of the 9 batters in the starting lineup.
Yes they will go to their practices and work on their swing mechanics, etc. - but nothing will be said about getting into a hitting position/loading earlier. They will think they are on time - but they are not.
This timing thing is also true on breaking balls, etc. It is not just with the 93 mph fastballs.
I think if loading late is more the case than loading early - I would tell batters who are having a problem - to load earlier than you think you should - and maybe they would be on time more often than what they currently are now.
All I am saying is that in a majority of the cases, hitters get themselves fully loaded and into a hitting position too late. If you took my 60% number to heart it would look something like this:
A batter loads and is in a hitting position too _________ _____% of the time.
1. early 10% of the time
2. on time 30% of the time
3. late 60% of the time
I am talking about getting ready to hit the ball (fully loaded) and not when you swing.
Looking at the statistics above - tell me where the focus needs to be on trying to be ready on time more than you have been.
Next time you go to a high school game, college or any game and watch the batters and see if they are loading too late. Most of the batters will be starting their load after the pitcher has released the ball and getting their foot down right when the ball is crossing the plate. I mean you will see this in 6 of the 9 batters in the starting lineup.
Yes they will go to their practices and work on their swing mechanics, etc. - but nothing will be said about getting into a hitting position/loading earlier. They will think they are on time - but they are not.
This timing thing is also true on breaking balls, etc. It is not just with the 93 mph fastballs.
I think if loading late is more the case than loading early - I would tell batters who are having a problem - to load earlier than you think you should - and maybe they would be on time more often than what they currently are now.
Thats so true TR and those are the hitters that make it to the bigs
quote:Originally posted by PASSION:
Looking at the statistics above - tell me where the focus needs to be on trying to be ready on time more than you have been...
Write this down. Memorize it. Don't ever forget it. Don't let anyone ever tell you different.....
If you're afraid to be late you will never hit your potential.
Think about it. You've just told us 60% of all hitters are late. Guess what........that includes the best hitters that have ever played.
Go tell them to get their front foot down early (so they won't be late) and watch their BA and power numbers drop dramatically.
Hitting is difficult. A very hard thing to do is to time the load/unload to the pitch. Why? Well, first of all, pitchers are trying to f with you. Secondly, there is no such thing as a load. There is either loading or unloading. And this load/unload has to be very quick and well timed.
And because you can't just load, hold it, wait and swing....that is why you just can't put your foot down early.
It's a wave across the country and it's pure hogwash.
And I bet Swingbuster is disappointed because he could sell a lot of contaptions if what you say was possible.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
SHEP
For me this is where the eye/brain connection comes in--
How would you know?
quote:And I bet Swingbuster is disappointed because he could sell a lot of contaptions if what you say was possible
Linear...shoulders loaded/ closed and foot down with toe 45 degrees...torque...get some ...
You remember that musical group..THE SPINNERS.Did those guys play for you
YOu have a little damage control over at the castle beyond the mote see my new topic/ discussion
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
Linear...shoulders loaded...
Sorry, but there is no such thing as "shoulders loaded". Either loading or unloading.
Get it right for once.
ITS
I kinda feel like the Gazelle tonight-lol Sheppy
I kinda feel like the Gazelle tonight-lol Sheppy
Shep,
If that is the case - I strongly recommend you dont attempt a "quick sprint across the plains".
These lions mean business.
LOL
If that is the case - I strongly recommend you dont attempt a "quick sprint across the plains".
These lions mean business.
LOL
Appreciate the words of wisdom ITS and will keep that in mind in future posts 
Not for the faint of heart-lol
Shep
Not for the faint of heart-lol
Shep
