This will be probably the last update on John for a while. On Monday of this week John met with his coaches to inform them that he would not be returning next year. I have no idea why he did that before the season was over. They stopped asking for my advice a year ago. Apparently when this meeting took place John was summarily dismissed from the team. Rumor has it that he will be transferring to the same P5 school that his younger brother (4 Star football recruit) will commit to. IMO this has a much better chance to work out for younger brother than it does for John. But I guess we will see. This story has turned into a textbook example of what not to do if you are a dad that’s trying to manage your kid’s recruiting.
@adbono posted:This will be probably the last update on John for a while. On Monday of this week John met with his coaches to inform them that he would not be returning next year. I have no idea why he did that before the season was over. They stopped asking for my advice a year ago. Apparently when this meeting took place John was summarily dismissed from the team. Rumor has it that he will be transferring to the same P5 school that his younger brother (4 Star football recruit) will commit to. IMO this has a much better chance to work out for younger brother than it does for John. But I guess we will see. This story has turned into a textbook example of what not to do if you are a dad that’s trying to manage your kid’s recruiting.
It's a long shot for them, but a chance to go to Omaha................
Adbono;
Please continue your "saga"! You can call it the "The Road to Eternity".
I would be interested in his Summer Team decision. It maybe the only baseball competition for the year.
BOB
In totally unrelated news....
@Master P posted:In totally unrelated news....
Yes, absolutely unrelated. But kinda interesting too.
Do the alumni in the NIL collective get to decide if the players they are paying 5-figure salaries get fired if they don't perform on the field? I hope those players are carefully reading whatever contracts they sign for this. I hope the university is reading those contracts too. What if, like John, a player isn't given much of a chance, after being paid to play? Does he get to sue?
@Master P posted:In totally unrelated news....
This can be its own thread, lol🙄
@anotherparent posted:Do the alumni in the NIL collective get to decide if the players they are paying 5-figure salaries get fired if they don't perform on the field? I hope those players are carefully reading whatever contracts they sign for this. I hope the university is reading those contracts too. What if, like John, a player isn't given much of a chance, after being paid to play? Does he get to sue?
All good questions
Honest question: Is there anything you could or would have done differently if you could go back in time to when "John" was 15/16?
fyi - I personally know a kid that is headed down the same path.....
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:Honest question: Is there anything you could or would have done differently if you could go back in time to when "John" was 15/16?
fyi - I personally know a kid that is headed down the same path.....
At 15/16 there isn’t anything I would do differently. At that age John was tall and skinny. He clearly had a lot of filling out to do. It was also obvious that he had a high ceiling. So we focused on mechanics, especially the lower half, and got that right early on. Then as he grew and got stronger the velo showed up just as we thought it would and he hit 93 during his senior year of HS. If I could go back and change anything it would have to do with all the people that got in his (and Dad’s) ear when he started having big game success. John got off track because of who he listened to and that didn’t happen until he was an 18 year old senior in HS. If you want to offer advice to the kid you know I would suggest this - “don’t believe the hype from the pretenders.” Scouting services (PG, PBR, etc.) are not staffed with people that are qualified to determine who is a D1 guy. And they don’t know what is going on in the recruiting world. They don’t know a good opportunity from a bad one. They just push exposure. And most velo camp guys are frauds. But HS kids are low hanging fruit for baseball con men - and they are taking advantage.
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:Honest question: Is there anything you could or would have done differently if you could go back in time to when "John" was 15/16?
fyi - I personally know a kid that is headed down the same path.....
Sorry to butt in on this question as it was addressed to another poster. But, I believe that we all need to realize that College baseball today, isn't the same college baseball that it was just 2 to 3 years ago. There was a time when College coaches felt a sense of obligation to the kids. They recruited and committed a kid when they are 15 years old and then believed that they needed to commit to the kid and give them a chance to develop, grow, improve etc... Well, colleges coaches at the power 5 level can't afford to be patient any longer. They are oversigning in dramatic numbers these days. I looked this morning at one power five school that has 22 players that will report at Freshmen in August. They have no plans to keep 22 Freshman on the roster going into the spring, but I bet those 22 freshmen and their family have no idea that probably half of them will be cut from the program by Thanksgiving.
I think that the answer to the question you posed, is that we all need to understand the way the game is played now. Just because John is throwing 90 mph as a 15 year old, doesn't mean that the Power 5 program he signs with is going to be patient with his development.
As parents, we need to all understand that baseball is different now, and maybe signing with a power 5 program or even a D1 program out of high school may not lead to the best opportunity for success for our sons.
Honestly, who is better off in these two scenarios.... the high school kid that signs with a low D1 or Juco program only to develop, improve, and have success on the baseball field. Maybe even leading to phone calls from Power 5 programs wanting him to transfer up. Or, the kid with all of the same measurables who signed with an SEC/Big 12 school, only to be told the week of Thanksgiving that they don't have roster space for him, leading him to be in scramble mode to find a Juco or D2 school to give him a chance?
Kid just hit 90 at 16, and all the wolves started showing up... Parent is eating it up though. I just wish they could see the big picture, not just because he could be a monster at 22/23 yrs old if he is given time to develop/mature, but because he is actually a warm-hearted person that is always a joy to be around. These "wolves" that just started to circle could care less about "Johnny" the person.
This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:Kid just hit 90 at 16, and all the wolves started showing up... Parent is eating it up though. I just wish they could see the big picture, not just because he could be a monster at 22/23 yrs old if he is given time to develop/mature, but because he is actually a warm-hearted person that is always a joy to be around. These "wolves" that just started to circle could care less about "Johnny" the person.
This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
The pool of players that at 18 years of age are being considered for draft and minor league is very very small these days.
How about this option? How about locating a good JUCO program for the 18 year old flame thrower. A JUCO program that will give him a chance to work on his skill, get quality game experience, and then be in a better position for a Power 5 program to sign him. A power five school recruiting a high school pitcher throwing 90-92 still doesn't really know what they are getting. What if they are disappointed to find out in fall of the freshman year, that he doesn't have good control? What if they find out that his off speed pitch and breaking ball works great on the travel ball circuit, but not so good with experienced D1 hitters?
Finding a good JUCO program with coaches that are honest with him, and he can trust, would help rectify all of those concerns.
@Ster posted:The pool of players that at 18 years of age are being considered for draft and minor league is very very small these days.
How about this option? How about locating a good JUCO program for the 18 year old flame thrower. A JUCO program that will give him a chance to work on his skill, get quality game experience, and then be in a better position for a Power 5 program to sign him. A power five school recruiting a high school pitcher throwing 90-92 still doesn't really know what they are getting. What if they are disappointed to find out in fall of the freshman year, that he doesn't have good control? What if they find out that his off speed pitch and breaking ball works great on the travel ball circuit, but not so good with experienced D1 hitters?
Finding a good JUCO program with coaches that are honest with him, and he can trust, would help rectify all of those concerns.
trust me this is has been my recommendation from day 1 - he even had a solid D1 mid-major very, very interested last year, but after ghosting them, they have moved on.
(also I want to point out the these poor decisions really isn't the kid in this situation) Hype train is real!
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:Kid just hit 90 at 16, and all the wolves started showing up... Parent is eating it up though. I just wish they could see the big picture, not just because he could be a monster at 22/23 yrs old if he is given time to develop/mature, but because he is actually a warm-hearted person that is always a joy to be around. These "wolves" that just started to circle could care less about "Johnny" the person.
This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
No doubt 90mph at 16yo is a milestone. Wolves (scouts) will show up because it is there job to leave no stone unturned with that milestone....or so I've been told by a cross-checker. The interest is there, but is it serious interest? Probably not just yet as he has to meet other criteria depending on the competitive level. We figured out that a handful of D1 P5 schools crossed my son off their list as he was "only" 6'1" at 16yo. They had their RHP algorithm, and my son didn't fit it, so they moved on. In hindsight, they were probably right to move on as my son only grew another inch after 16, and had other academic goals in mind beyond baseball.
But you are exactly right. The recruit, and parents need to see the big picture, unfortunately they don't know who to reach out to for honest, straight talk advice. This place comes pretty close to being the best place for honest feedback and experiences. I recall having offline discussions with a former poster here....TRHit. I owe that guy big even though he passed away...he gave it to me with "both barrels" and his advice was spot on. I still think about him, and maybe one of the reasons I still check in here every so often. @ReluctantO'sFan maybe you could help Johnny and his family by pointing them in the direction of HSBBWeb? Just a thought....
As for your last question, I think the pressures, opportunities, and development time lines are very different between D1 P5 and minor league professional pitching. The physicality and maturity needed to be an 18 year old professional baseball player is enormous. My (former) neighbor played at a D1 P5 and then played in MLB. He would tell us stories about how the young professional players (many not from the US) would goof off and waste their time not doing the things they needed to be doing as professionals. Based on those stories, I think it takes more self-discipline to be an 18yo professional than a D1 P5 player. College coaches teach self-discipline and their "requests" and "suggestions" get done or else.....
As always JMO.
Great post above by @fenwaysouth
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
If the main goal is baseball, I would say milb in most cases. Their goal is not to win but to develop. You pitch every 7 days regardless of the success or failure of your last outing. I know more than a few guys with regrets about not choosing that route. Still not easy, and likely more lonely.
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
Pro baseball is a job with an employer that’s looking for return on investment. The return for the player is getting better at baseball, a shot at the MLB brass ring and college as an older student (if they’re one of the few that go back to school).
P5 schools are also looking for return on investment. The return for the player is also getting better at baseball but includes an education at a quality school (at least 3 years) with a staff that understands how to manage and train men of a certain age (within reason). After 3 years of improvement and maturity, the player still has a good chance of trying the pro route. If the player is not making an impact at the P5 level, what are the odds they will in the minors?
Both routes will cut their losses if the investment significantly underperforms or has major personal issues.
If an 18-year-old can get life changing money by going pro, then that seems the obvious choice. If not, why not improve where you get something more in return and have some time to mature? Everybody’s journey is different, starting a real job at 18, hanging around older men without the strict restrictions of college does offer some different learning experiences – some good, some bad.
@fenwaysouth posted:But you are exactly right. The recruit, and parents need to see the big picture, unfortunately they don't know who to reach out to for honest, straight talk advice. This place comes pretty close to being the best place for honest feedback and experiences.
In this situation the parent has been given straight talk.... unfortunately they are choosing not to listen. That's why I asked if there is anything different that @adbono would have changed if he was given a redo.
btw: I'm not implying that he did anything wrong in the first place
@JucoDad posted:Pro baseball is a job with an employer that’s looking for return on investment. The return for the player is getting better at baseball, a shot at the MLB brass ring and college as an older student (if they’re one of the few that go back to school).
P5 schools are also looking for return on investment. The return for the player is also getting better at baseball but includes an education at a quality school (at least 3 years) with a staff that understands how to manage and train men of a certain age (within reason). After 3 years of improvement and maturity, the player still has a good chance of trying the pro route. If the player is not making an impact at the P5 level, what are the odds they will in the minors?
Both routes will cut their losses if the investment significantly underperforms or has major personal issues.
If an 18-year-old can get life changing money by going pro, then that seems the obvious choice. If not, why not improve where you get something more in return and have some time to mature? Everybody’s journey is different, starting a real job at 18, hanging around older men without the strict restrictions of college does offer some different learning experiences – some good, some bad.
Using stock trading analogy, the question being asked here is if MiLB is more like an institutional investor (looking at medium/long term return), whereas P5 (or even D1) is a day trader (they are looking for immediate return). In this analogy, MiLB can truly put effort in developing players for several years w/o expecting immediate performance and contribution, whereas P5 needs immediate contribution on day 1. They only have 3 or 4 years of a player. If they don't contribute immediately, they would rather cut the player and get someone else in the transfer portal rather than spending a year or 2 with the kid to develop them to be a contributor by year 3 or 4.
@atlnon posted:Using stock trading analogy, the question being asked here is if MiLB is more like an institutional investor (looking at medium/long term return), whereas P5 (or even D1) is a day trader (they are looking for immediate return). In this analogy, MiLB can truly put effort in developing players for several years w/o expecting immediate performance and contribution, whereas P5 needs immediate contribution on day 1. They only have 3 or 4 years of a player. If they don't contribute immediately, they would rather cut the player and get someone else in the transfer portal rather than spending a year or 2 with the kid to develop them to be a contributor by year 3 or 4.
This is a good analogy IMO. I still remember 3 plus years ago when the trifecta (extra years of eligibility, the transfer portal, and the reduction of the MLB draft) hit that created the mess we are currently in. There was a lot of discussion about what would happen. Many of us predicted this outcome but it’s hard to imagine anyone expected it to be this bad. However there were some that insisted that no player would stay in school beyond 4 years just to play baseball, younger players would not suffer because they are the future if the program, and this is a non-event. Remember that?!? I do.
Some thoughts.
The part that I find amusing, is that the portal is filling up with more younger players right now who think the grass is greener. They just don't understand that not every freshman is ready for prime time play. Or they don't quite get that there is usually someone better at your position than you. Or the player feels slighted because he doesn't start. Or the coach doesn't think that you put in the work that is expected of you when he offered you a scholarship. Just because you don't have to sit out a year doesn't mean that you will play.
If you think that it's bad in college baseball, it's worse in MLB. Its a crappy business.
@JucoDad is spot on. Go to college, unless of course you are offered life changing money and a top prospect out of HS.
Older guys and grads who put up good #s will always find a home from the portal to fill the gaps. Not sure where FL would be without BT Riopelle, who came because the heir apparent catcher got severly injured but he ended up transfering to Alabama and a part of their huge success.
My point, you have to have what they need.
@TPM posted:Some thoughts.
The part that I find amusing, is that the portal is filling up with more younger players right now who think the grass is greener. They just don't understand that not every freshman is ready for prime time play. Or they don't quite get that there is usually someone better at your position than you. Or the player feels slighted because he doesn't start. Or the coach doesn't think that you put in the work that is expected of you when he offered you a scholarship. Just because you don't have to sit out a year doesn't mean that you will play.
If you think that it's bad in college baseball, it's worse in MLB. Its a crappy business.
@JucoDad is spot on. Go to college, unless of course you are offered life changing money and a top prospect out of HS.
Older guys and grads who put up good #s will always find a home from the portal to fill the gaps. Not sure where FL would be without BT Riopelle, who came because the heir apparent catcher got severly injured but he ended up transfering to Alabama and a part of their huge success.
My point, you have to have what they need.
There's a narrative that there is just as much kids, or even more kids in the portal as a result of their coach pushing them out bec the coach is not interested in developing them knowing they can just grab someone else from the portal. I really don't know what the truth is. This is what I'm reading in social media and in this forum. One camp shouts: "look at all these naïve kids that are not willing to work hard and thinks the grass is greener on the other side". The other camp shouts back: "it's the coaches that are not willing to develop kids anymore and just push them out of the program knowing they can easily get someone else from the portal."
Both of these are probably true. The argument is which is more prevalent.
@atlnon posted:There's a narrative that there is just as much kids, or even more kids in the portal as a result of their coach pushing them out bec the coach is not interested in developing them knowing they can just grab someone else from the portal. I really don't know what the truth is. This is what I'm reading in social media and in this forum. One camp shouts: "look at all these naïve kids that are not willing to work hard and thinks the grass is greener on the other side". The other camp shouts back: "it's the coaches that are not willing to develop kids anymore and just push them out of the program knowing they can easily get someone else from the portal."
Both of these are probably true. The argument is which is more prevalent.
Emphasis on the last paragraph! Both are true. From the school side of the equation they are almost all guilty of rampant over recruiting. And they are using the current market imperfections to their benefit. All that always leads to half truths, backpedaling, miscommunication, and disappointment for over half of every recruiting class. From the players side they are guilty of believing their own hype, not accepting reality, and over estimating their abilities. Social media and scouting services are largely responsible for this. So there are big problems on both sides of the equation. As far as which is more prevalent, who knows. It would vary on a case by case basis. There is some of both going on at every college baseball program in America.
@ReluctantO'sFan posted:Kid just hit 90 at 16, and all the wolves started showing up... Parent is eating it up though. I just wish they could see the big picture, not just because he could be a monster at 22/23 yrs old if he is given time to develop/mature, but because he is actually a warm-hearted person that is always a joy to be around. These "wolves" that just started to circle could care less about "Johnny" the person.
This brings me to a second question... Is it harder to be a 18 year old RHP in today's collegiate environment (at top P5 level) vs being brought up through a minor league farm system???
In the minors a pitcher’s arm isn’t going to be sacrificed to win a championship. He’s going to go out once a week and throw X number of pitches and come out regardless of the score.
A college pitcher is going to be closer to helping the major league club assuming he survived his college coach.
@atlnon posted:There's a narrative that there is just as much kids, or even more kids in the portal as a result of their coach pushing them out bec the coach is not interested in developing them knowing they can just grab someone else from the portal. I really don't know what the truth is. This is what I'm reading in social media and in this forum. One camp shouts: "look at all these naïve kids that are not willing to work hard and thinks the grass is greener on the other side". The other camp shouts back: "it's the coaches that are not willing to develop kids anymore and just push them out of the program knowing they can easily get someone else from the portal."
Both of these are probably true. The argument is which is more prevalent.
I agree somewhat with this statement. I do believe that in many cases it's coach, in many cases it's the player, sometimes the parents and in many cases the administration. Blame goes around equally.
Here is one for you, UCF just hired Joe Girardi as HC. What? He was fired at his last coaching position at FIU. Do you think he was hired to draw players into coming to the program or for his managerial skills? Should be interesting.
When my son was in college you could transfer but you had to sit out a year. Plenty of players left for the same reasons they leave today. It just wasnt what they expected. This is not a new thing.
Fall practice determines who plays everyday, as well as who starts and who relieves. It's not the coach who determines but the players. You work your butt off, you will win the job. But many don't because they feel that they are either better, more deserving, or have better things to do. If it's not to their liking, they leave because coach won't promise them any playing in the future. You have to work for it. The serious guys live it 24/7 with baseball.
You know the story of Wyatt Langford? 4 innings his freshman year will be drafted within the first few called, probably. That's what I am talking about.
I don't follow social media gossip or guys who are not baseball guys 24/7 all year long.
Believe what you want, you will find out soon enough.
To add, there is talk that this will be addressed after the season ends.
If you are a prospect, either choice is a bet on yourself. With one you are betting that you are good enough to make the roster which will get you the repetitions you need to improve on the field and to improve your draft stock. You are also betting that you stay healthy. If you choose well, the benefit (and the fall-back) is a great college education and a great college playing experience. If you really excel, you have a chance to rise up the draft boards so you get your cake and can eat it too. Downside is you will be pitched/batted to win.
The other is a bet that you will stay healthy and continue to compete as you progress up levels. That you are mature enough to handle a life of baseball and only baseball and that you are ready to face high level competition on the other side of the ball day in, day out and up and down the line up. The benefit is you have time and guaranteed repetitions to improve. 6-game slump, no problem--you will have games 7-12 to work your way out of it even if it is at a different level. 3 game slump in college you may have to figure that out on your own in the cages.
Crazy part is there are no guarantees with either choice. There are injuries. There is a FB that plays in HS but gets murdered in pro ball. You can slump at the worst possible time and never get a chance or see your draft stock plummet. It is super important to have a realistic understanding of your abilities and your worth and then you pray that you can exceed your expectations and theirs. Even more important is to have value in yourself outside of baseball.
Interestingly, my son has more friends who are happy with their pro choice than those who are happy with their college choice. The caveat is that the college guys who are happy...are deliriously happy and I'm not sure you can say that about the pro guys. They are happy AND they are grinding through a 130+ game season. Plus most are early enough in their careers to not have a full perspective.
Update. Word out Girardi isn't taking the position.
Good lesson in don't believe everything that you hear.
Gino DiMari from UMiami retiring, that's floating around here today in Florida.
The transfer portal is usually bashed. But it seems that the smartest thing to do now is to use it. JUCO to D1 was always an option, but now D1 to D1 is also an option. If you start at a mid-major where they love you, and have good development and summer league connections, you will either (a) be good enough to move up, or (b) be good enough to be drafted without moving anywhere, or (c) not be good enough for a or b, but get a good education and have a good baseball experience. Win-win.
A self confident player with baseball intellect knows his level and his ability to achieve his goals. As a "hitter" the pitcher will test him and as a "pitcher" the hitter is his teacher. The Coaches and a few teammates provide the opportunity to develop his "toolbox". Pro scouts "open the window of opportunity".
Do not let it close,
Bob
Dads get real proud and puff out their chest when they can tell everyone else their son has committed to Top Twenty U. I met a dad like this two years ago and chatted with him while watching his son play.
The dad told me the commitment was solid for the year after attended a well known in the region academic and baseball PG school. The kid was 6’1” 170. Top Twenty U probably wanted the kid to fill out and increase velocity.
So this year the kid heads for Too Twenty U. About April the kid comes to mind. So I look up his stats to see how he’s doing. In his bio for 2023 it says “not on 35 man roster.” How did it happen? I’m guessing bring in seven grad student pitchers blocked the kid in addition to all the returning pitchers. I’ll bet the kid is now in the portal.
By chance, at a state championship game this week I chatted up the dad of one of the starting pitchers. Looking at the kid and his velocity it was obvious to ask where he would be playing college ball. This kid was headed for Top Twenty U. I told him the story about the other kid. I watched the dad swallow hard while I was telling the story.
If a pitcher gets out pitched by a pitcher headed for a mid major with a losing record how does he think he will succeed at Top Twenty U? The opponents lit him up in the fourth inning for five runs.
I was also chatting with the coach of the host college for the game. We played ball together. He told me of the three D1 commit pitchers in the game, experience tells him at least one of the three will come home and pitch for him (ranked D3).
So here is the latest on John. He has transferred to a Region 5 JuCo in North Texas. He did not play summer ball but also has not trained very hard. His velo is down and he isn’t in top physical shape. All that info was provided by someone that was at his recent workouts. His JuCo decision was influenced by his HS travel ball coach - who is involved with the North Texas JuCo that he chose. On the surface this may appear to some as righting the ship. But I don’t think so. The JuCo he chose has no PC and no history of developing pitchers. All John will get there is innings if he is healthy. Nobody there will help him get any better. It’s basically just a return to his travel ball team where he feels comfortable and has status. On top of all that, my partner in pitching instruction has cut ties due to something John’s father did. That’s also bad for John as Mike was a good influence in every way. School begins in 30 days so it’s virtually impossible that John will be in good form when he reports. I guess we will see.
I heard a comment (or read a comment here) about the difficulties of navigating the recruiting trail today and it was was framed in a way that got my attention. He said, “with all the misinformation out there, and so many people in your ear, it’s very easy for parents & players to make bad decisions. Maybe easier than it’s ever been.” I couldn’t agree more and IMO John’s saga is a case in point. Since signing his initial NLI I don’t think John and his parents have made one good decision. You can only get away with making a certain number of bad decisions before there are no longer any decisions to make. I’m hoping that’s not where this is headed but I certainly can see that possibility. And I would hate to see that happen to a kid that had so much promise just a little over a year ago. I feel like this has changed from “A Recruiting Story” to “A Cautionary Tale.”
And here is the latest on John. He had limited innings this fall due to arm problems. Velo is down to 86-87. Didn’t pitch in any fall games against outside competition. Only intrasquad games. He is now shutdown for the remainder of the fall. I have seen this movie before and I know how it ends.
Is this the start of his coaching career?
@2022NYC posted:Is this the start of his coaching career?
I doubt it. He has an arm issue that began 2 years ago when he (without telling me) went to a velocity clinic run by a local hack that’s a keyboard warrior on Twitter. For reasons I can’t understand the family has been reluctant to get proper medical care so the condition has lingered. At least that’s my opinion based on what I have heard from those closer to the situation. I hope that I’m wrong about this, but all indications are that John will be out of baseball within a year and in the middle of the frat rat scene. Unless he changes course.
If John's arm issues started 2 years ago, could that have been a contributing factor to his lack of innings this spring? And if so, is his story still a cautionary recruiting tale? Would things have really worked out differently him at the juco?
Injuries are at epidemic levels. imo.
Among my son's peers, I can't name a single good pitcher that hasn't been hurt. Alot of the terrible ones have been hurt too. Lol!
@314Calhoun posted:If John's arm issues started 2 years ago, could that have been a contributing factor to his lack of innings this spring? And if so, is his story still a cautionary recruiting tale? Would things have really worked out differently him at the juco?
Injuries are at epidemic levels. imo.
Among my son's peers, I can't name a single good pitcher that hasn't been hurt. Alot of the terrible ones have been hurt too. Lol!
You are correct about the injuries. It's the drive to gain more Velocity that is pushing the envelope on arm health. My son 2022 RHP just had Labrum and small tear in rotator cuff surgery this week. His rehab will be a 14 month process. Fortunately the D1 program (low Mid Major) that he is signing with didn't drop him. At least they haven't yet.
@adbono posted:I doubt it. He has an arm issue that began 2 years ago when he (without telling me) went to a velocity clinic run by a local hack that’s a keyboard warrior on Twitter. For reasons I can’t understand the family has been reluctant to get proper medical care so the condition has lingered. At least that’s my opinion based on what I have heard from those closer to the situation. I hope that I’m wrong about this, but all indications are that John will be out of baseball within a year and in the middle of the frat rat scene. Unless he changes course.
How's John's arm doing since the second semester is about to start?
@Master P posted:How's John's arm doing since the second semester is about to start?
I don’t know. I have heard that he still has not gotten medical attention, his velo is still down, and he was ineffective in the fall. That’s all I know.