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2019 commitment

BBall Dad2001 ·
Lookimg for some advice. My son is a 2019 graduate who recently verbally committed to a D1 school. He had numerous offers from lower school that included athletic and academic money. He turned them down to have a chance at playing D1 baseball. The coach did not offer him athletic money stating they just didn’t have any more 2019 money but did give him academic money, basically a preferred walk on. Coach said that if he comes in, works hard then he can earn athletic money his Sophomore year.
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PABaseball ·
I recently mentioned this on another post but academic money is unrelated to baseball. The coach cannot give out academic money, only the university can. If your son goes to walk-on and doesn't make the team, he would still keep the academic money. As for the decision. If that is what he wanted and works for your family, it sounds like it was the right decision. I wouldn't hold your breath too much with the money, but if he can walk-on and make an impact hopefully his coach will reward him. ...
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adbono ·
Walking on is uphill sledding - and it never changes. I know this because I did it. I was successful only because I was a hard throwing pitcher - and a hard throwing pitcher will always get a look. But to get on the field a walk-on has to perform noticeably and consistently better than the scholarship players he is competing with. Not just a little better - a lot better. This hardly ever happens. The odds are way better for a pitcher than a position player. But something everyone needs to...
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old_school ·
who and what qualifies for academic money is a grey area, there is always a range of what qualifies. IMO any coach with cred is going to be able to go admissions and get you "academic money that you qualify for" I believe they will get you the highest amount possible and quite likely more. I believed this happens everywhere and in most sports! My nephew received 90% financial package from an A10 school in hoops. They were out of scholarship money but liked him, he was a stud in HS...plus his...
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. When you say "basically a preferred walk on", what exactly was promised to your son? A tryout? Guaranteed spot thru Fall? Guaranteed roster spot? There are varying loose definitions of preferred walk on and this is important. Also, what level of confidence and how realistic is that confidence that your son has that he will be able to out-perform scholarship players right away? Since he has already committed, what is behind the question? Would a change be considered if...
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BBall Dad2001 ·
Thanks for the reply. They offered him a guaranteed roster spot. We were very late in the recruiting game and had a bunch of NAIA and JUCO colleges in Arizona giving him both athletic and academic money but his dream was to play D1. He verbally committed a couple of weeks ago and was curious as to if we made the right choice or should he with go back to schools with better offers or wait and see how his senior season goes. I believe he will compete for playing and has a good shot at playing...
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PitchingFan ·
Don't start second guessing. it will lead down a rabbit hole that is hard to climb out of. Just enjoy it and plan for the future. Nobody has a guaranteed spot if they are given baseball money or not. Things and people change. Just remind your son he will have to work extra hard between now and then to earn his playing time, but so will the kids who got money. I think a lot of parents second guess but remember your son got a good offer no matter where the money came from and he gets to live...
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cabbagedad ·
Guaranteed roster spot shows a decent degree of commitment from the coach, as good as it gets in regards to preferred walk on. Agree with Pitchingfan that second guessing is not a good thing and I was reluctant to respond, thus the questions. I also agree with him that nobody really has a guaranteed spot. Your son should latch on to the opportunity and work his butt off to prove the coach's words right, and more importantly, drive his dream to reality. Congratulations to him and best of luck!
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Iowamom23 ·
My son was in a similar situation but coach told him while they didn't have money for his freshman year, he would get money for the next three years. They also promised him that he wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the kids who get money and the kids who didn't in the first year. So far, it's been absolutely true. Son said at Thanksgiving that's he's learned more baseball through the fall season that he would have in four yeas at another school. I agree with those who say don't...
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Shoveit4Ks ·
Ballsy move, betting on himself...i like it. Keep us updated on his progress, pulling for your kid.
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Buckeye 2015 ·
As others have said, the coach has nothing to do with Academic money....your son gets what he's qualified for...same as any other student. The coach can't "find" extra academic money. You can go to the schools website and find the academic money. See if it matches up with what the coach told you. If not, I'd be sure to verify before your son enrolls. Here's what I've seen in my son's 3+ years at a D1. Not trying to make this sound harsh, but I'm willing to be a lot of others will agree with...
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old_school ·
Buckeye I agree with many many of your posts here, you get it in a big picture way....however I think you are just wrong here. A coach can't necessarily "find" money. I will agree with that as a statement of truth - but and this is a huge but - He can be connected to the ultimate decision makers who do. Schools can prioritize students in any reasonable way. Any student can get a min or max of what they are eligible for. There are typically multiple scholarships available, they can be pointed...
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BBall Dad2001 ·
Thanks all. I think I need to just relax and let what will happen happen. Proud that he is chasing his dream of D1 baseball and will support in any way I can.
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Old School....I guess my statement came out kind of wrong. The OP said the "coach did give him academic money". That's the basis for my statement. That can't happen......which is why I said they need to "verify" what the coach told them before they commit to enrolling. I'm aware that at some schools....let's say Vandy....that there are huge amounts of money available outside of the academic scholarships....but again, it's not up to the coach to determine that, though I'll agree that they can...
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old_school ·
10/4 Buckeye my bad! I get so aggravated and I probably should just ignore it because it honestly doesn't matter but there is a huge % in the baseball community that believe it. Like you mentioned Vandy, fair enough I agree. Nobody believes these kids who are studs are going there getting the 25% min divided by 25 kids...and nobody believe that the ones who aren't getting baseball money aren't getting ridiculous amounts of "academic money" over and beyond reasonable. Don't get me wrong, I am...
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BBall Dad2001 ·
Thanks again everyone for your thoughts and suggestions. I made it sound like the coach was giving him academic money and just wanted to clear that up that wasn't the case. Coach brought us out and simply said he was out of 2019 recruiting monies but my sons grade were such that the school would give him 75% of the tuition with a guaranteed roster spot. I have no doubts that he will work his ass off to compete for playing time. He had numerous full ride offers to NAIA, D2 and JUCO colleges...
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BBMomAZ ·
It sounds like this is the right fit for you son, so congratulations! We are learning in my son's recruiting process that a guaranteed roster spot can be a good option, especially if your timing is a bit late and the school is a good fit academically and socially as well. Go for it!
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PABaseball ·
Not to be a downer, but just know as a walk-on there is no such thing as a guaranteed roster spot. Without money attached there is no guarantee he will be on the roster. There is not even a guarantee the scholarship players will make the spring roster. Either way you still have to go in thinking you're competing for a starting spot.
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Buckeye 2015 ·
No "guarantees" is correct....but a coach can "tell" you that you have a spot....and I guess you just have to take him at his word. Ex) a coach has 27 scholarship players and has 8 other kids coming in. He can tell 4 of them they have a spot....meaning the other 4 are competing for 2 spots (if he is carrying 33). Again, no guarantees...but most coaches who offer it that way will at least honor it for the first year.
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Old school....you are absolutely correct. Depending on the school, it's not tough to get academic money coming out of HS. My son was a 25% kid as far as baseball money....but he also had a little more than that in academic money. At a state school the qualifications are clearly spelled out on their website....with regard to HS GPA and ACT. You meet both you get $XXXX. When the coach called and offered he said you'll get $XXXX baseball money and $XXXX academic money. So we knew the total. Of...
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old_school ·
and then on top of the academic portion, which is well earned, there are the private endowment type monies. X amount a year for the student who applies for whatever the name of it is. Also the memorial scholarships and so forth. I have a friend of mine who set up an endowment for kids in the business department of his alma matter in his dads name, he has some loosely written criteria but he has a tremendous influence on where it goes. He is an extremely wealthy man, his school is thrilled to...
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d-mac ·
From what I've seen no one has a guaranteed roster spot. The kid with the big scholarship % better perform or he will be gone quickly. In fact, I think that kid has more pressure on him than anyone else. As far as walk ons. There are plenty of programs that have had a lot of success with walk ons including a few recent national champs. Everyone assumes that the 11.7 gets divided up among 27 players, but at a lot of places it can be more like 20-22 guys on money and the rest on academic or no...
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d-mac ·
You are 100% correct and every school has these types of scholarships. The Maw and Paw memorial scholarship awarded to students who have exhibited great leadership skills. There are hundreds of these at every college and it takes one phone call for an athlete, a booster's kid, a legacy, etc, to get that scholarship.
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2019Dad ·
There doesn't need to be any shenanigans. At about 15-20 schools, there is financial aid available to each and every student, all of it grants ( not loans ), which of course means it is available to baseball players. See https://www.texasmonthly.com/n...inancial-aid-policy/ Just by way of example, below is Stanford's. So if your family income is $175,000, at Stanford the kid will likely get 50%+ off the sticker price in grants, not loans, which sure beats a 25% baseball scholarship. Same is...
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CTbballDad ·
Please note the table is for 2 kids in school and makes no mention of assets, on top of your income. So you essentially need double the Average Net Cost to determine your EFC. I don't want any newbies to think if they're making $185,000 and sending one kid to school, they'll a $30,000 Financial Aide Grant. Not gonna happen...
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2019Dad ·
Nope. That asterisk is for the last two categories (215-245, and above 245). The asterisk doesn't apply to the other categories. Edited: yes, assets play a role. That's likely why even the lowest income categories don't have 100% who qualify.
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adbono ·
Assets play more of a role some places than others.
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JCG ·
You should get some well-informed replies. You can also do a search here and find a lot of discussion. From what I have seen the pros are that sometimes it works out absolutely great for the kid, and the cons are that sometimes it's a disaster.
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tanndonn ·
PROS: Kid can relax and play without the pressure of pleasing. Time can be spent cleaning up/improving their game. Money can be saved, limit travel/tournaments/showcases, go to committed to college's camps. Focus on grades, like baseball they can never be too good. Parents get to post on social media. CONS: Staff that recruited player leaves, RC that loves your son takes another job and HC has no idea who you are. HC is fired, resigns or takes another job. You stop working because you "made...
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SanDiegoRealist ·
^^^^^^^+1...in a nutshell. We were talking about this the other day. If it's a dream school, go for it. If not, why take yourself off the market early?
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SluggerDad ·
Advantages: Gives you a strong sense of affirmation (which is no small thing in a sport defined by failure) Gives you something to crow about to others (how much of an advantage this counts as depends on your personality and situation) Relieves one major source of stress -- uncertainty. Which can be a very major source of stress. Disadvantages: It's a one way street. Teams that might otherwise be interested in you, will stop thinking about you as an option. Which may or may not be a big...
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. What position does player play and is this a school at the top of his list? Are we talking power 5 D1? These are a few key variables. I'm sure you will get some great responses but also be aware that you can search existing threads in this forum and there are many on this topic. Generally... Some pro's - assuming school is making significant $ investment, less likely that they will recruit more high profile guys at your position better chance of finding a mutual match -...
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joemktg ·
What is early? What is the assumed level of academic achievement? What is the assumed number of college choices at the time of committing early? What position is played? What is the level of baseball talent (use a PG rating as the indicator)?
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JCG ·
To amplify on this a bit. My son played with 2 kids who committed to the same major conference school during their sophomore year of HS. It was a dream school for both. One was a 2016, the other a 2017. Subsequently the recruiting coach moved on. 2016 was given an NLI and played extremely for the team this year as a frosh. 2017 was left dangling and never saw an NLI. Fortunately he found a nice mid-level conference match a month or so ago and signed. Sometimes it works out great. Sometimes...
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baseballmom ·
Just look up top, hit the magnifying glass to do a search...The answer today is the same as it was in 2004...a one way street to nowhere.... Early Commitments http://community.hsbaseballweb...ng=Early+Committment
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Old timer ·
RHP Major D1 it's on his list
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RJM ·
I wonder how many kids commit early to their dream school without closely examining if it's the right school baseball wise, academically, geographically, socially and culturally. It can be hard enough for adults to sort this all out. Yet ultimately the kid has to make the decision. Yes, baseball comes first for a top prospect. But a high school sophomore top prospect might not be one by the time he's twenty-one (didn't develop, injury) The other issues matter in the decision. The non...
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3and2Fastball ·
Yes indeed. My 2021 is not exactly an early recruit but it is funny how he says "wow it'd be so cool to play for Louisville" when he has literally never set foot in the state of Kentucky let alone has any clue about Louisville's curriculum nor any clue as to what he would major in. He wouldn't have even known that the U of Kentucky's home park is an extreme hitters park as compared to Louisville's park if I hadn't told him.
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cabbagedad ·
Thanks, so with P's, I think you have sort of another sub-set of pro's and cons. Teams carry lots of P's. So, signing the player early and committing $ won't stop school from recruiting hard for more guys like you or better. P's is where most of the $ goes, although that $ is not unlimited. The race to sign arms is the most aggressive, so things happen earlier and, thus, I think there are more misses. Also, injury is most likely to be a factor with P's. And, if player does not develop quite...
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old_school ·
wow if you look over the threads from 04-08 even later you realize how early is...back them the winter of JR year was consider early and somewhat controversial to discuss! Today you are already being looked at by D'3 by them and have been crossed off by D1 and much of D2...the college coaches sure have gotten better at predicting earlier!! Those dumbass coaches of 10 years were way behind!
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SanDiegoRealist ·
Every trip we make this summer for baseball is being tied in with a campus visit to a school of interest in the area. Get an idea for the kind of campus environment your kid desires. We are trying to meet with the baseball staffs at those schools, a little harder to pull off it appears! Just getting one to answer the phone is a challenge.
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Go44dad ·
Anyone care to give an educated guess (or if you know, even better) how much of the scholarship budget remains by the end of this summer for a major D1's? By class 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. If anyone knows the same from 10 years ago, that would be a good data point. MLB draft, decommits not withstanding, I will guess zero, zero, 30%, 70%. Anyone?
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Go44dad ·
Moving on from Heimlich, I thought the question posed by the wonderful and always thoughtful Go44Dad was a great one. Anyone care to postulate intelligentia et scientia?
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Old timer ·
Sounds to me that would be a real good reason to commit early.
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CaCO3Girl ·
My son is a 2020...early commitment has come up often. The trend I am seeing with pitchers is that the super duper OMG this 14 year old is throwing a million miles an hour...those guys are NOT committing early. The 14 year old throwing 85 miles an hour IS committing early. Every now and then it is because it is a local school to them and where they feel comfortable playing. I really can't fault that decision, if that is where they and their parents were always hoping they would go then good...
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Goosegg ·
"Sounds to me that would be a real good reason to commit early." While all the money may be gone, ironically a bunch of that money is committed twice. Because early comittments are not enforceable, some schools will stockpile comittments and leave the "undeserving" at the proverbial NLI alter. What makes a kid "undeserving?" Coaching change, skills that plateau, draft miscalculations (either for incoming or out going players), grade/score issues, a better player comes along, are a few...
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Go44dad ·
"What does your kid want out of baseball is the biggest question I would ask." Play at Alex Box stadium. Pitch and bat clean-up.
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3and2Fastball ·
From what I've heard, when it comes to Power 5 schools, the earliest a HC/RC will have a true educated guess as to if a player can contribute for them is when they see them as rising Seniors on the biggest Showcase/Tournament diamonds competing against top Power 5 recruits and potential MLB draft picks. Anything earlier than that is mere guesswork and projection. This is an important element that many parents of early commits miss in a huge way. It really depends on the early commit's...
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TPM ·
Welcome to the site. You are getting good advice, but often times what is left out, the most important is, ONLY COMMITT WHEN THE PLAYER FEELS IT IS THE RIGHT FIT FOR HIM. Forget about the coaching staff, nowadays that is secondary. Coaches come and go, that's not going to change. This is their livelihood, and they will decide what is best for their future, and as much as parents don't like that, the coach has a right to improve his earning capacity and what is best for his family. Worst...
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Old timer ·
Thanks for all the great replies. The couple replies that stick out is money left for 2017=0%, 2018=0%, 2019=30%, 2020=70%. The other is pitchers is where the money is spent. So my 2019 RHP looks like it would be best to commit fairly soon.
 
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