@RoadRunner posted:What about me?
You can have extra credit too. Proper spelling is important. Autocorrect on iPhone is my nemesis.
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The problem is, there has to be a public health policy, not "everyone coming to their own conclusions." Responsible public health officials will hopefully incorporate reliable new studies as they come in.
I don't disagree with this statement in theory, except that we have a lack of "responsible" public health officials that left logic in the wake of bad assumptions. As these officials fail to separate their political views from health policy, they continue to promote irrational behavior to the detriment of society instead of rational evidence-based decisions.
@Iowamom23 posted:Our school opening plan doesn't require masks or face shields. Not sure how class sizes will be handled as there don't seem to be any rules. Our school is still considering whether to do all live, all online or blended.
Iowa's top ranked HS baseball team ended their season Tuesday after a positive test on their softball team (apparently the two teams have a lot of interaction), both teams are done for the season.
Our HS softball team also had a positive test, but will be able to return to play for the postseason — conveniently they were scheduled to play the team above, so now they have a bye in the first round, otherwise they would have been done too.
Not requiring face masks in school(at least for now) is dumb IMO. I think teachers within a certain number of years of retirement should be granted those years and call it quits. Make some room for some of these fresh college grads who can’t find work. Maybe they’ll like it and make a career out of it. Our district surveyed teachers and has moved the at risk teachers to virtual or one on one instruction.
Overall, the teachers in FL should be safer in the school than their every day trips to Target and other stores. My wife’s school has had the teachers in to role play different teaching methods to show them what they need to change so they don’t create opportunities for transmission
If you get a minute, check out the Pasco County FL plan. There are a lot of districts around the country copying what they are doing.
@Pedaldad posted:I don't agree with this statement in theory, except that we have a lack of "responsible" public health officials that left logic in the wake of bad assumptions. As these officials fail to separate their political views from health policy, they continue to promote irrational behavior to the detriment of society instead of rational evidence-based decisions.
You mean like telling people it’s ok to protest? Any public health official that didn’t warn people of their risks should be fired.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:You mean like telling people it’s ok to protest? Any public health official that didn’t warn people of their risks should be fired.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:You mean like telling people it’s ok to protest? Any public health official that didn’t warn people of their risks should be fired.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...ests-quarantine.html
NYTimes article documenting this exact behavior TerribleBPthrower. 1300 public health officials signed letter of support of mass protests. Several epidemiologists even participated and admitted struggling with their own hypocrisy. How can these "responsible" health officials be trusted to form policy when they openly admit their political allegiance outweighs their commitment to health.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Not requiring face masks in school(at least for now) is dumb IMO. I think teachers within a certain number of years of retirement should be granted those years and call it quits. Make some room for some of these fresh college grads who can’t find work. Maybe they’ll like it and make a career out of it. Our district surveyed teachers and has moved the at risk teachers to virtual or one on one instruction.
Overall, the teachers in FL should be safer in the school than their every day trips to Target and other stores. My wife’s school has had the teachers in to role play different teaching methods to show them what they need to change so they don’t create opportunities for transmission
If you get a minute, check out the Pasco County FL plan. There are a lot of districts around the country copying what they are doing.
My wife is a teacher, and they are giving them face shields. I think it makes them sound like they are in a barrel.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:A quick Ggogle search shows several hospitals reporting their Covid ICU numbers and beds available.
Public relations. “Special people “
@Pedaldad posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...ests-quarantine.html
NYTimes article documenting this exact behavior TerribleBPthrower. 1300 public health officials signed letter of support of mass protests. Several epidemiologists even participated and admitted struggling with their own hypocrisy. How can these "responsible" health officials be trusted to form policy when they openly admit their political allegiance outweighs their commitment to health.
This, more than anything, politicized and polarized the issue of masks and shutdowns and caused much of the public to disregard or disbelieve anything else they had to say. It was a huge mistake for them to get involved in politics.
^^^AMEN.
@PitchingFan posted:I didn't want to get in this but I had this conversation with our teenagers last night about going back to school. We actually talked about the common good. One 14 year old girl said "but it depends on whose eyes you are looking through to have a definition of the common good. Adults are thinking through adult eyes and also wanting to protect themselves. Teenagers are wanting to live life like we always have and continue doing the things we have done. We are not getting Corona in numbers enough to stop doing that. Common good is for the masses not the minority."
Yep, and see this:
@anotherparent posted:Yep, and see this:
Interesting article. Thank you for posting. I never really thought about it in this way.
@Go44dad posted:Here is son's elephant in his room to be...
To be clear, the death rate is 0.00018 for the county (population of 310,000). Which is higher than the Texas death rate of 0.00010.
This is probably a typical stat ..in every state across the country and most every nation across the world..
@adbono posted:I agree. A brushback pitch every now and then is just part of the game but that was a beanball! Better hope TPM doesn’t charge the mound.
Lol TPM attacks from the back in the night. By the way I emailed my state governor and both senators to get a list Of EARNED freedoms and what he qualifications are expand on how we can get permission for neighborhood passes
@old_school posted:Lol TPM attacks from the back in the night. By the way I emailed my state governor and both senators to get a list Of EARNED freedoms and what he qualifications are expand on how we can get permission for neighborhood passes
I don’t take issue with your position on inalienable rights.
Go44Dad, I had to check my math because I swore it could not be 1.6% of the total population. Which it is not. why would they exaggerate the statistics?
@PitchingFan posted:Go44Dad, I had to check my math because I swore it could not be 1.6% of the total population. Which it is not. why would they exaggerate the statistics?
Probably defining DR as deaths/positives. But that’s still only 1.5%. So my guess is they are using “probable deaths“ to bump it up to 1.6%
@anotherparent posted:Yep, and see this:
NPR couldn’t do a COVID article without bringing school shootings and climate change to the table? Kids think they’re going to die due to the indoctrination they’re getting at school. The lack of socialization aspects of the article I agree with.
Of course it's politics. Speaking of the protests if you think BLM is a police protest you are sleeping.
The stats on what the police are doing is nothing compared to the reaction. Suffice it to know murder, cars, HIV medical errors and other things will each kill many tmes the number of African Americans this year compared to the police.
I had a good week got word from the mayor that I have earned the freedom to walk my dog this morning without a note! What a country, next week a bike ride almost certain
@old_school posted:I had a good week got word from the mayor that I have earned the freedom to walk my dog this morning without a note! What a country, next week a bike ride almost certain
Keep up the good work! You’re earning rights that will benefit the future generations of this great country. Wait, do these earned rights carry on to our children?
@old_school posted:I had a good week got word from the mayor that I have earned the freedom to walk my dog this morning without a note! What a country, next week a bike ride almost certain
In April I was pulled over on my bike for not wearing a mask. I politely disagreed with the officer. Within a week the police were refusing to pull over cyclists. It was a dumb executive order to have to wear a mask the second leaving your property.
Some politicians have their finger on the pulse of the people. Maine’s Governor has her thumb on the throat of the people. Four people have died in the past two weeks. But because of TX, FL and AZ she took away freedoms to avoid the spread that has never been rampant in the state.
The restaurant people are livid ...
You can do outside dining 6/1
5/28 No, you can’t.
6/15 Yes, you can. But it took a few days for restaurants to order food again.
You can do inside dining on 7/1
7/10 Shut it down
Restaurants have wasted a lot of food to spoilage due to the clown governor. In a state that is hospitality intensive she knows nothing about the industry. When asked about dining out she responded, “It will be a long time before I eat out.” Great confidence builder!
Given the influence of the hospitality industry outside a governor’s executive orders she has no snowball’s chance in hell of being re-elected.
When the grocery manager approached me about the mask rule changing he told me to put on a mask and vote against Mills in ‘22. I laughed. I should register in ME just to vote against her. Voting anything but Democrat where I’m registered in MA is pissing against the wind.
@luv baseball posted:Of course it's politics. Speaking of the protests if you think BLM is a police protest you are sleeping.
The stats on what the police are doing is nothing compared to the reaction. Suffice it to know murder, cars, HIV medical errors and other things will each kill many tmes the number of African Americans this year compared to the police.
I kind of figured this when I saw Columbus and Lincoln statues being torn down.
@luv baseball posted:Of course it's politics. Speaking of the protests if you think BLM is a police protest you are sleeping.
The stats on what the police are doing is nothing compared to the reaction. Suffice it to know murder, cars, HIV medical errors and other things will each kill many tmes the number of African Americans this year compared to the police.
In 2019 ten unarmed blacks were shot and killed by police. Six of them charged the cop. There are other issues with blacks and cops and the justice system. But not enough to tear down democracy.
Everything you see and hear is 97% Politics..
They are intent on Destroying America's Morale..
You could let them do it or you can stand up against it
@Pedaldad posted:I prefer not to comment or interpret this data, but I think people should look for themselves.
There are considerations when analyzing data on black shootings, shootings deaths, arrests, and incarceration time. For example, in the ten unarmed blacks that were shot by cops in 2019 six of them attacked the cops.
George Floyd didn’t deserve to die. Chauvin deserves to do time. But Floyd is an ex felon. In the big picture it appeared he had cleaned up his life. But don’t be high as hell on the street. Then it’s combined with passing counterfeit money even if you want to accept he didn’t know. A former felon shouldn’t put himself in the place of being high on the streets. It places the police on edge to start. A lot of blacks who get shot or arrested don’t have clean records in the first place.
Too many blacks are pulled over for being black. I’ve had friends pulled over in their own neighborhoods only because the officer didn’t believe a black person should be driving a nice car in an executive neighborhood after dark. It’s profiling by appearance that has to end.
A lot of the blacks who are convicted of crimes and end up in jail couldn’t afford the legal team that could keep a more financially capable person out of jail.
I went to a private boarding school one year. One of the students tripped out and burned down the hockey rink. If I mentioned the name almost everyone here would recognize the family.
What do you think would happen to a poor, black kid in this situation? This kid was back in school the next semester. There was an anonymous million-plus donation from a benefactor for a new sports complex for several sports.
Some of this situation is chicken and egg. A black kid ends up with a record for something a kid in better circumstances might have had the charges dropped. Now the black kid has a record and the other kid doesn’t.
There’s a lot more involved than cops versus blacks. Black kids with fathers or male mentors present in their life are less likely to end up in difficult situations. They’re more likely to have been taught right from wrong.
This thread is a train wreck. Nothing about baseball....All politics regardless of where you stand.
@RJM posted:
What do you think would happen to a poor, black kid in this situation? This kid was back in school the next semester. There was an anonymous million-plus donation from a benefactor for a new sports complex for several sports.
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the same thing that would have happened to a poor white kid. money can create a lot more second chances than race can
Politics aside... I really liked Iowamom23s "Iowa's top ranked HS baseball team ended their season Tuesday after a positive test on their softball team (apparently the two teams have a lot of interaction)"
NYCdad, I understand completely and apologize for contributing to this trainwreck. I read lots of articles about baseball everyday, and can't recall reading one since the MLB announced a season that didn't mention Covid-19 and most have it as their primary focus. Same is true for all other sports. As we are looking at the real (and crazy) possibility of canceling NCAA football, which means a lot of other sports, including a lot of college baseball programs are going to shutdown, it is the topic of the day, and it shouldn't be.
We all know canceling NCAA football will be a great way to control the virus. Those young men will help save lives by sitting quietly in their dorm rooms, apartments, and homes, not gather in large groups, wear their facemasks in public, avoid the protests (that are the only form of morally permissible) social gatherings, and definititely won't interact with co-eds on campuses of 30,000 to 60,000 other young single people.
Alontae Taylor gets it.
The idiot of the year has to be Lou Holtz. He compared playing football this fall with storming the beaches of Normandy. If the percentage of players dying playing football matched the Normandy invasion it would be a tragedy. Sometimes people get too old and foolish to interview. I’ll bet younger, smarter coaches wanted no part of being in that interview.
@Pedaldad posted:Alontae Taylor gets it.
Playing and the consequences or not playing football and it’s consequences might be equivalent to, Is it healthier to drink Drano or Liquid Plumber.
As much as I’ve been for reopening business and would like to see sports played again, I can’t see how sports can be played with distancing, especially football.
@Pedaldad posted:NYCdad, I understand completely and apologize for contributing to this trainwreck. I read lots of articles about baseball everyday, and can't recall reading one since the MLB announced a season that didn't mention Covid-19 and most have it as their primary focus. Same is true for all other sports. As we are looking at the real (and crazy) possibility of canceling NCAA football, which means a lot of other sports, including a lot of college baseball programs are going to shutdown, it is the topic of the day, and it shouldn't be.
We all know canceling NCAA football will be a great way to control the virus. Those young men will help save lives by sitting quietly in their dorm rooms, apartments, and homes, not gather in large groups, wear their facemasks in public, avoid the protests (that are the Ionly form of morally permissible) social gatherings, and definititely won't interact with co-eds on campuses of 30,000 to 60,000 other young single people.
I think it’s evident that college kids are going to do whatever they want without consideration for any consequences. The risk for the student athlete is probably about the same whether games are played or not. The greater risk is to the coaching staff, support staff, and all the ancillary service providers that prop up every football program. Most college football players are oblivious to this and all the other things that are routinely done for them. Just more of the me, me, me generation.
@adbono posted:I think it’s evident that college kids are going to do whatever they want without consideration for any consequences. The risk for the student athlete is probably about the same whether games are played or not. The greater risk is to the coaching staff, support staff, and all the ancillary service providers that prop up every football program. Most college football players are oblivious to this and all the other things that are routinely done for them. Just more of the me, me, me generation.
And don't forget the risk to fans, who aren't always super smart.
@Pedaldad posted:Alontae Taylor gets it.
So, NCAA football players would be at risk of "going the wrong way" without football to occupy their time?
This isn't true of NCAA students in general?
Or is there something special about NCAA football players that makes them more likely to "go the wrong way"?
I feel like I need someone to make this more explicitly clear.
@Iowamom23 posted:And don't forget the risk to fans, who aren't always super smart.
God forbid we have a choice. Everything you do has risks and it’s up to us to decide the level of risks we are willing to take. I’d be at a football game tomorrow. I’d venture to say you wouldn’t be out and traveling like I have either but I’m perfectly healthy as is everyone I know with the same thought process. And if I get it, I get it. Not willing to stop living.
Fans are free to make a choice whether or not to attend. The players feel pressure to play if the program chooses to play.
By cancelling non conference play the Big Ten and PAC 12 pushed off the decision until late September. I’m expecting other conferences to do the same. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t college football. No college president wants to be stuck with his college facing negligence charges over a COVID death. Same goes for the conference presidents.
@RJM posted:
Fans are free to make a choice whether or not to attend. The players feel pressure to play if the program chooses to play.
By cancelling non conference play the Big Ten and PAC 12 pushed off the decision until late September. I’m expecting other conferences to do the same. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t college football. No college president wants to be stuck with his college facing negligent charges over a COVID death. Same goes for the conference presidents.
Can't argue those points and generally agree, but I think the NCAA will collapse if there is no football season. Finances will ultimately guide many schools decisions. Most states where Big12 and SEC football are played are well below their expected number of deaths per the CDC, this includes Texas and Florida despite recent spikes. I could see a scenario where some big football schools in these states split away.
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