PG scout notes (stats)

But, back to the original topic, I haven’t really seen anyone dispute the fact that PG does a subpar job in reporting and especially stats.  As a paying customer, I would like to see an effort to improve this aspect of the business ( for my benefit as a customer regardless of whether it matters to scouts)

This is understandable. And correct if I'm wrong but the scorekeepers are mostly college kids home for the summer. They're trying to make a few easy bucks watching baseball. I think it's safe to say they don't really care about your sons average fastball velocity or if that was a hit/error. Add that to the fact that they start at 7:30 am and cook in that sun all day watching the same thing, in the same spot until the last game. I'm not defending them or ragging on them, just calling it like it is. I doubt these guys are making the big bucks and I doubt they care. Should it be better? Of course. But in order to get the games moving and prevent teams from playing at 1am, they are not going to take the time to calibrate the radar guns and they are not going to rotate personnel every 4 innings.

If we're being honest, we all know it's not about the stats, it's about seeing how hard our kids are throwing/how hard the opposing pitcher is throwing against them. If it's honestly about the stats, game changer is free. I use game changer for stats and stand behind home when I want to see a pitchers velocity. 

As for the write ups. Yeah they're off from time to time, without a doubt. But in my opinion this is more about pushing a brand than accurately reporting scout notes. It makes the sight look more like a scouting hub than a tournament host. It adds a sense of legitimacy (not that they need it) ~Here's what the scouts are saying about the best players, who happen to be at our tournament ~ You get the picture. 

 

CTbballDad posted:
justbaseball posted:

Just following up - .265 hitter Jr. year in HS.  #StatsDontMatter

Wow, super cool!  Congratulations to you and your family!

That's Mitch Haniger, 2018 All Star, Mariners from JBB former hometown. Reminding all that stats don't matter.

That’s great!

I can agree that the scouts aren’t paying attention to the stats but obviously YOU were interested in them.  If not, why would you even have kept or remembered them from 10 years ago. 

10 years from now , I don’t want to look back at my kids performance and say «  I think he hit somewhere between .100 and .500.  Not really sure because the scorekeepers did not do thier job, and the customers didn’t care because it didn’t matter to the scouts ». 

wareagle posted:

That’s great!

I can agree that the scouts aren’t paying attention to the stats but obviously YOU were interested in them.  If not, why would you even have kept or remembered them from 10 years ago. 

10 years from now , I don’t want to look back at my kids performance and say «  I think he hit somewhere between .100 and .500.  Not really sure because the scorekeepers did not do thier job, and the customers didn’t care because it didn’t matter to the scouts ». 

Sorry, nice try - but I don't really give a hoot about them.  I remembered he struggled and so I looked them up on MaxPreps last night.  Don't remember my own son's either.

So no, I was not interested in them.  Just trying to show you how irrelevant they are.  Sorry if you're still not getting it.

I get stats don't matter for future advancement...you will find no place on this entire forum where I am arguing over the importance of stats.

That being said - what about the 98.5% of kids who DONT play D1 - and the 99.5% who don't play professionally? what about the VAST majority of clients who are just paying the money for the experience? I do believe an honest attempt at a reasonable product is not to much to ask for. Not because the stats matter but the product does, you are selling a product and a brand.

Think about it - there are roughly 6000 kids at the u17 WWBA (400x15) and another 5500 at the U16 and another 5000 at the u15...you are selling the "product" for 15 bucks a week and 40 for the year. It is worth getting it reasonably close.

So many people on here (myself included maybe) are baseball snobs. PG as you know it wouldn't be here without the masses, over 50% of the kids at Lakepoint are flat wasting money but nobody cares, nor should they. They have an important function, they create the revenue for PG, they create the ability to build a facility like Lakepoint or East Cobb before that. They support the infrastructure - your costs - the high fliers, the bottom half of the roster, the mid major guys, the D2 guys would all be higher with out them. The services PG provides as "gift" to the elite are paid for by the masses.

IMO get off the high horse, realize this is a complex business and there is a place in the PG model for the bottom level - PG knows this even if they won't admit it. The business model would have to change with out them...the lowly 98.% who are just there chasing an impossible dream and a life experience.

There is tremendous baseball advise on this site but much of it doesn't have a damn clue to how to run a business or satisfy a customer.

Alright - let me back up a little.

I agree, if you sell a product, you should make it good top-to-bottom.  Scorekeeping should be better (if its as bad as the OP says).

The message I was trying to send was that scout notes don't necessarily connect directly to stats.  A good scout can (and will) watch a guy struggle on the mound or strike out 2 or 3 times and see something completely different than the stats will say.  Our older son was offered a 100% scholarship to a Power-5/D1 school the day after he was lit up in a HS game...with the college coach there.  But he threw 90+ and stayed composed throughout the whole thing - thats what the coach wrote about in an email that night.  None of that would show up in stats.  I am sure parents reading the boxscore in the paper the next day woulda been flabbergasted if they knew what happened with the college.

This site has largely become a place for parents to get advice on whats important...and whats not...in the recruiting process.  I think we've heard from a lot of folks who went through it - and have sons who coach and scout in it now.  I guess if you want to pay PG a lot of money just to keep accurate stats, your priority is different (not wrong, just different) than mine in attending such an event.  If you want to connect scout reports to stats - good luck!  You will be eternally frustrated, as are many parents throughout HS baseball.

As for a business?  I run a successful one that is heavily customer oriented.  While we don't do anything related to baseball, if we did, I would insist on good scorekeeping too.  I don't always agree with our customers, but I/we do try to satisfy them.  I completely get that point and have a damn clue....

I feel like I get both sides of it. I have 2 that have been through the system. One was talented one not near as much.

One side I agree with every part of your baseball comments and he benefited as a player from the events. The other was there solely because his team went and he was part of the team, he sat more then he played, he isn't being recruited...but his (my) money was just as green to PG as when the other was there benefiting.

Point being the WWBA is too big to be exclusive, it is an event that has grown way past its roots. There aren't enough truly talented teams to justify them half being there but there is a quality product in demand so they come anyway. I don't mind saying PG is one organization I have very much respect for but they continue to grow and change. With that growth and revenue they need to continue to improve the full line of services.

You notice during the weeks of the BCS and the super25 there is none or very little of this...it is a much smaller field.

And I feel for you on the client level, sometimes they drive me insane or at least seem like it but they will never ever know it!!

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