Just to lighten this conversation.
The other day I went into ACME Supermarket, had my N95 mask on.
Walking quickly, I passed a lady.
She said I startled her and that I was not following "Social Distancing" Guidelines.
I asked her one simple questions:
Where is your N95 mask?
It's your world, then said "Have a nice day". Proceeded to do the Running Man dance.
Tim Turner posted:Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:ABSORBER posted:
Never said to open up everything all at once completely 100%....there are a lot of smart people out there that no doubt can figure out how to reopen gradually. It should not be an all or nothing strategy...gradual with some modifications...see how it goes for a while...then adjust accordingly.
Dude, you literally are just saying that you're sure we are doing it wrong, and that somewhere, someone can figure out a better way. That's it: You want things to open somehow, on some schedule, that some really smart person can figure out? No one can really argue with that.
Ok.
Let's get back to baseball.
There is a interesting article on Baseball America
Analyzing which teams are most affected by the return of the 2020 senior class.
I will start a new topic
CollegebaseballInsights posted:ABSORBER posted:Sorry, Collegebaseballinsights asked me the same question a couple of days ago on a different thread and I answered. I figured he asked me again because he wants to make some sort of point regarding NYC's crisis. I live in the Washington, DC metropolitan area.
It is good to bring where you live into context on this particular thread as for it help provide a potential rationale for one's perspective.
Next simple question, how many people that you know have passed or have been impacted from the virus?
Note, my friends and family are directly in the hot zones from every angle, so they will definitely give you boots on the ground perspective.
Note, my brother is a captain in the FDNY, many friends are EMS, NYPD, 1st responders, etc, my mother lives 5 minutes from New Rochelle, thus when you put a face or names to a situation, numbers are not as important.
Opening up businesses and schools does not make sense.
NYC and the greater NYC metropolitan area is not the entire country! New Yorker's like to think they are the center of the universe but they are not. Stay shut down! Nobody is arguing that you shouldn't.
That's the problem with some people. As soon as they are directly affected by something they think they are the only ones who understand. That's simply not true. Do you think you are the only person in the world to see someone die? Or have or know loved ones who have died? Please!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. So far we've had fewer deaths than what we experience in a typical flu season. And again, I'm not saying it's harmless and that we won't surpass flu numbers (it definitely is replacing some of those numbers) but we need to have more perspective. Who were the people who lost loved ones to the flu in all previous years? Don't you think it affected them just as much? Did they lose their jobs because of it? And yes, we'll never know to what degree the shutdown helped prevent more death. It may have and it may have not. Nobody will really know for sure. But COVID-19 is certainly not the first virus to affect the planet and it won't be the last.
I served 28 years in the military and deployed to combat zones in two separate conflicts. Do I think everyone in this country should have served overseas and watched their friends die while people back in the old USA continued their happy lives living in oblivious freedom? People were and are still dying for us; perhaps we should all share in that responsibility. But we don't. Life goes on. But please don't think other people haven't experience death and hardship.
And no, I don't know a single person who has had (knowingly) the virus so I definitely don't know anyone who has died. That's the point. I live in the sixth largest metro area in the country and we don't have the numbers NY has. The curve has definitely flattened here, so much so we are not much further than where we were when this whole thing started. We are just as susceptible to the virus. So how long are we going to wait it out? As I posted earlier, H1N1pdm09 is still killing people. For more than 10 years straight. And we have a vaccine. And we have treatments. And herd immunity. So, at least 10 years? If we continue to run around in fear (like people I see in their cars on the interstate wearing diving masks and gloves with their windows rolled up), we will get nowhere.
Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:ABSORBER posted:
Never said to open up everything all at once completely 100%....there are a lot of smart people out there that no doubt can figure out how to reopen gradually. It should not be an all or nothing strategy...gradual with some modifications...see how it goes for a while...then adjust accordingly.
Dude, you literally are just saying that you're sure we are doing it wrong, and that somewhere, someone can figure out a better way. That's it: You want things to open somehow, on some schedule, that some really smart person can figure out? No one can really argue with that.
First of all my name isn’t “dude”. If the governors of these states shut down their economy indefinitely then you and I will see an economic depression that makes the Great Depression seem like a walk in the park.
Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:Chico Escuela posted:Tim Turner posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:ABSORBER posted:
Never said to open up everything all at once completely 100%....there are a lot of smart people out there that no doubt can figure out how to reopen gradually. It should not be an all or nothing strategy...gradual with some modifications...see how it goes for a while...then adjust accordingly.
Dude, you literally are just saying that you're sure we are doing it wrong, and that somewhere, someone can figure out a better way. That's it: You want things to open somehow, on some schedule, that some really smart person can figure out? No one can really argue with that.
First of all my name isn’t “dude”. If the governors of these states shut down their economy indefinitely then you and I will see an economic depression that makes the Great Depression seem like a walk in the park.
Dear Mr. Turner,
Your revised argument is "we can't stay shut down forever" and therefore "someone smart should figure something out." That logic is airtight. But I'd argue it boils down to saying you don't like the way things are and you want to see them get better. I agree 100%. I'd wager every governor and the President all agree, too.
Your obd't servant,
C. Escuela
Tim will do...there’s no revised argument her at all...it’s my opinion and it’s and it’s shared by a lot of others that I’ve talked to. I won’t post anymore about it. I’m with the others...I’d much rather talk baseball than anything else.
CollegebaseballInsights posted:Smitty28 posted:Here is the interesting thing.
What do you open up? Businesses, if you have a children, where do they go? Remember, most high school students use mass transit, at the elementary levels, do you really think teachers in NYC want to be exposed to the potential risk?
Since you asked, if I was king for a day I'd do the following:
Keep schools closed since there is a reasonable, working alternative. Keep youth and HS sports shut down for another couple months.
Shut down mass transit, including all subways, trains and busses (you too NYC).
Keep high-touch businesses closed - gyms, hair salons, massage, etc.
Let businesses that can operate go ahead and do so, considering that many won't have lower level employees able to show up. If you can work remotely, then you should work remotely. Many in finance, banking/trading, accounting, high-tech, news, publishing, advertising, consulting, etc can do this.
Let retail open up a limited capacity. Let each business determine safety codes, number of customers, etc. By the way, many retailers have been open so this is evidence that it is ok to do so.
Let manufacturers that can open up do so. Let each business/union determine safety rules.
Open up parks, beaches, hiking/jogging/cycling trails. It's April after all, not August.
I would keep Hollywood shut down indefinitely.
ABSORBER posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:ABSORBER posted:Sorry, Collegebaseballinsights asked me the same question a couple of days ago on a different thread and I answered. I figured he asked me again because he wants to make some sort of point regarding NYC's crisis. I live in the Washington, DC metropolitan area.
It is good to bring where you live into context on this particular thread as for it help provide a potential rationale for one's perspective.
Next simple question, how many people that you know have passed or have been impacted from the virus?
Note, my friends and family are directly in the hot zones from every angle, so they will definitely give you boots on the ground perspective.
Note, my brother is a captain in the FDNY, many friends are EMS, NYPD, 1st responders, etc, my mother lives 5 minutes from New Rochelle, thus when you put a face or names to a situation, numbers are not as important.
Opening up businesses and schools does not make sense.
NYC and the greater NYC metropolitan area is not the entire country! New Yorker's like to think they are the center of the universe but they are not. Stay shut down! Nobody is arguing that you shouldn't.
That's the problem with some people. As soon as they are directly affected by something they think they are the only ones who understand. That's simply not true. Do you think you are the only person in the world to see someone die? Or have or know loved ones who have died? Please!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. So far we've had fewer deaths than what we experience in a typical flu season. And again, I'm not saying it's harmless and that we won't surpass flu numbers (it definitely is replacing some of those numbers) but we need to have more perspective. Who were the people who lost loved ones to the flu in all previous years? Don't you think it affected them just as much? Did they lose their jobs because of it? And yes, we'll never know to what degree the shutdown helped prevent more death. It may have and it may have not. Nobody will really know for sure. But COVID-19 is certainly not the first virus to affect the planet and it won't be the last.
I served 28 years in the military and deployed to combat zones in two separate conflicts. Do I think everyone in this country should have served overseas and watched their friends die while people back in the old USA continued their happy lives living in oblivious freedom? People were and are still dying for us; perhaps we should all share in that responsibility. But we don't. Life goes on. But please don't think other people haven't experience death and hardship.
And no, I don't know a single person who has had (knowingly) the virus so I definitely don't know anyone who has died. That's the point. I live in the sixth largest metro area in the country and we don't have the numbers NY has. The curve has definitely flattened here, so much so we are not much further than where we were when this whole thing started. We are just as susceptible to the virus. So how long are we going to wait it out? As I posted earlier, H1N1pdm09 is still killing people. For more than 10 years straight. And we have a vaccine. And we have treatments. And herd immunity. So, at least 10 years? If we continue to run around in fear (like people I see in their cars on the interstate wearing diving masks and gloves with their windows rolled up), we will get nowhere.
1st, thank you for your service.
Secondly, I do understand.
Third, I've seen many posting trying to compare this to the flu.
Note, flu death are a different percentile.
H1N1 is a different infection rate.
Note, in a couple of months more will be known about coronavirus as for the federal government has not been as transparent as they should be.
Tim Turner posted:Tim will do...there’s no revised argument her at all...it’s my opinion and it’s and it’s shared by a lot of others that I’ve talked to. I won’t post anymore about it. I’m with the others...I’d much rather talk baseball than anything else.
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Re-opening gradually is shared by absolutely everyone. Everyone agrees that different parts of the country need different things, based on multiple factors. That is precisely what the government said yesterday. The only thing people differ on is how much we need to know. The people who say, "just open it all up now and let some people die" are wrong; we will know much more in a week or two, and that will save not just lives but also the economy. No-one thinks we should all be shut down indefinitely. The main unknown is when we're going to have the data that we need.
Smitty28, what you describe pretty much sounds like what we already have here (a medium size town far from a large city, where everyone drives everywhere). Our golf courses are still open, everyone goes outside for walks, no-one is being stopped from going to outdoor batting cages (as far as I know), plenty of people are driving around, construction sites are still open, hardware stores are open, etc. I don't know what our two factories are doing.
At the end of the day, they are probably going to conclude that the two main contributing factors to spread and mortality are nursing homes and public transport (agree with CollegeBaseballInsights), which they can't do anything about, and public gatherings, which they can, if they want.
anotherparent posted:
At the end of the day, they are probably going to conclude that the two main contributing factors to spread and mortality are nursing homes and public transport (agree with CollegeBaseballInsights), which they can't do anything about, and public gatherings, which they can, if they want.
Why is public transport untouchable? Shut it down!! We'll see how "essential" things are when people have to walk, cycle or drive to where they "need" to go. If it is really, really essential (eg, nurses, hospital workers, police, fire) then use the stimulus money to get these people private Uber rides to work - I'm sure part of $2T will cover it.
Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
Looks like 95% of the testing is done by private labs, the information is not always provided government.
Keep an eye out for the nursing homes near the cities, this is where most the the information suppression is occurring.
"The disclosure comes after The Texas Tribune reported Wednesday that Texas was not sharing comprehensive data on nursing homes, as other states have done."
I'm not going to quote the posts because that drags this thing out but I will agree where you live and how it has impacted your family and friends is the lens you are looking through. I've had several conversations and got to know more people personally on here in the past several weeks. Some good and some not so good but at least I know them better and where they are coming from in this and baseball. Some of them are like me religiously, politically, and in other areas of life and some not. I have connected with some oin all areas of likeness and difference and all of them make me a better person. Several of you who live in "hotspots" (don't want to offend anyone by using that term again but that is all I know to call it) have a different lens than some of us. Still only 15 people within 30 minutes of me have it and only 1 hospitalized, none dead. One of my friend's wives is a nurse who is working outside Charlotte and she works on the Corona floor. She has 2 patients and they are working less hours than before Corona.
But I also know some of you who I've talked to in NYC and other areas, including Florida and Atlanta have a totally different view and situation. I can feel for you and your families but I can only see it through your words and pictures but not through my lens, maybe a glimpse through yours. I can pray for you and have compassion. I just think that each state and local government, and then business owners or board will have to decide through their lens what to do but understand how it affects others. It is like one of my guys is plant manager of a well-known company here and he was fine but had to shut down because he couldn't get the parts he needed and the place he sent his finished products to had shut down so he could only build up so much stock. He can't open til they open and his distributors open. What one does affects another as does every area of life as we teach our kids. What those around me do affects me and vice versa.
CollegebaseballInsights posted:Just to lighten this conversation.
The other day I went into ACME Supermarket, had my N95 mask on.
Walking quickly, I passed a lady.
She said I startled her and that I was not following "Social Distancing" Guidelines.
I asked her one simple questions:
Where is your N95 mask?
It's your world, then said "Have a nice day". Proceeded to do the Running Man dance.
Your response was snarky and rude. The CDC recommended masks if you can’t maintained social distancing. You violated her space.
Smitty28 posted:anotherparent posted:
At the end of the day, they are probably going to conclude that the two main contributing factors to spread and mortality are nursing homes and public transport (agree with CollegeBaseballInsights), which they can't do anything about, and public gatherings, which they can, if they want.
Why is public transport untouchable? Shut it down!! We'll see how "essential" things are when people have to walk, cycle or drive to where they "need" to go. If it is really, really essential (eg, nurses, hospital workers, police, fire) then use the stimulus money to get these people private Uber rides to work - I'm sure part of $2T will cover it.
Screw the disabled!
TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
Use this site. Click on a state. You can see where they’re at and the projections on where they’re headed ...
healthdata.org
I use that too however I have within my weather app COVID data that you can put in anyplace in the world for cases, deaths per day. In US you can put in counties as well as states.
Has been pretty accurate, even gives percentages up or down from week before.
TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should e interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
Couple takeaways on this...
- Most of Americans must have slept through fractions, as 428/30 million is .00001427, which is not even a rounding error. (And TPM, as you know, my wife died of the flu a dozen years ago, so cold of heart I may be.)
-Our civilization climbed up the mountain in wooden shoes, and will fall off the cliff in silk slippers.
I never was really great in math, and probably not as savy as you either.
PitchingFan thank you, we needed that, at the end of a frustrating week.
TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
RJM posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:Just to lighten this conversation.
The other day I went into ACME Supermarket, had my N95 mask on.
Walking quickly, I passed a lady.
She said I startled her and that I was not following "Social Distancing" Guidelines.
I asked her one simple questions:
Where is your N95 mask?
It's your world, then said "Have a nice day". Proceeded to do the Running Man dance.
Your response was snarky and rude. The CDC recommended masks if you can’t maintained social distancing. You violated her space.
Help me understand, what aisle do you know that is 6 feet in width or are you saying the supermarket aisle should be like a queue?
Again, she didn't have a mask, thus she was exposing every else.
Especially when she got on the checkout line.
Food for thought.
The Rule in NJ is if you go into a store you must have on a mask.
Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
TPM posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
People who die at home get assigned a cause of death. With the passage of the CARES act, deaths listed as caused by Covid 19 are paid to Doctors at 125% of medicare/insurance rates for 180 days. Thus the 3,700 backdated deaths by NY.
TerribleBPthrower posted:Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
Starting around Apr 8th, we had to wear if shopping.
CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
Starting around Apr 8th, we had to wear if shopping.
These masks are not N95. The general public is fine walking around with a cloth mask. N95’s are better for health care workers to prevent up close receiving end of transmission where the cloth mask prevents you from spreading harmful germs via sneezing, coughing, or just plain spitting while your talking. I wore an N95 today (had one for painting in the garage) to the store. I won’t wear it again. My cloth mask arrives Monday
TPM posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
My point was of course it will go up. The opening of various parks or activities won’t be the cause of the increase in general. It may impact the percentage increase, but it would increase no matter what.
TerribleBPthrower posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
Starting around Apr 8th, we had to wear if shopping.
These masks are not N95. The general public is fine walking around with a cloth mask. N95’s are better for health care workers to prevent up close receiving end of transmission where the cloth mask prevents you from spreading harmful germs via sneezing, coughing, or just plain spitting while your talking. I wore an N95 today (had one for painting in the garage) to the store. I won’t wear it again. My cloth mask arrives Monday
TPM posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
My point was of course it will go up. The opening of various parks or activities won’t be the cause of the increase in general. It may impact the percentage increase, but it would increase no matter what.
Agreed. I had a n95 that I for mowing the lawn. People only need to have something over their face.
CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
Starting around Apr 8th, we had to wear if shopping.
These masks are not N95. The general public is fine walking around with a cloth mask. N95’s are better for health care workers to prevent up close receiving end of transmission where the cloth mask prevents you from spreading harmful germs via sneezing, coughing, or just plain spitting while your talking. I wore an N95 today (had one for painting in the garage) to the store. I won’t wear it again. My cloth mask arrives Monday
TPM posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
My point was of course it will go up. The opening of various parks or activities won’t be the cause of the increase in general. It may impact the percentage increase, but it would increase no matter what.
Agreed. I had a n95 that I for mowing the lawn. People only need to have something over their face.
That has to be one of the most uncomfortable ways to mow the lawn! Just kidding. It is hot as heck in FL and I made the dumb decision to grow a beard. Not a good combo with the mask and the heat
How about starting a post by addressing posters by name and maybe copying the key point you’re debating after it’s about four posts joined together?
Jacksonville opened their beach today. Hundreds on beach, not a lot of social distancing. Won't last long.
TerribleBPthrower posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:CollegebaseballInsights posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:Is NJ requiring N95 masks to go out in public?
Starting around Apr 8th, we had to wear if shopping.
These masks are not N95. The general public is fine walking around with a cloth mask. N95’s are better for health care workers to prevent up close receiving end of transmission where the cloth mask prevents you from spreading harmful germs via sneezing, coughing, or just plain spitting while your talking. I wore an N95 today (had one for painting in the garage) to the store. I won’t wear it again. My cloth mask arrives Monday
TPM posted:TerribleBPthrower posted:TPM posted:ARCEKU21 posted:Got a little taste of relaxing the lockdown today in Texas. Our governor announced today that on Monday they are opening back up the state parks. You have to wear a mask and follow social distancing guidelines, but they will be open. Also, he is letting all retail open back up if they can support "to go" commerce. He said in two weeks he will see how things are going and possibly implement the second stage of opening up.
Also, Future Stars Series posted an update about the tournaments in August and the game plan. Sounds like they are thinking this out pretty well: Regular cleaning crews onsite, hand sanitizing stations in all the dugouts, stagger game times through the 8 venues to allow for teams to leave before others arrive, limiting the number of people in the stadium at one time and also making sure there is ample space so people are spaced out per guidelines.
Hopefully we get some further good news in 2 weeks.
As of today Texas has confirmed 17371 cases and 428 deaths. Should be interesting to see if this goes up or remains the same.
These 2 numbers will increase. You could completely lock every person in their house and they will go up. They probably went up before the numbers were even posted.
Exactly and I don't believe in these being exact numbers because many stay home and die there as well. Also missing is how many recovered.
My point was of course it will go up. The opening of various parks or activities won’t be the cause of the increase in general. It may impact the percentage increase, but it would increase no matter what.
Agreed. I had a n95 that I for mowing the lawn. People only need to have something over their face.
That has to be one of the most uncomfortable ways to mow the lawn! Just kidding. It is hot as heck in FL and I made the dumb decision to grow a beard. Not a good combo with the mask and the heat
I don't even remember why I bought it in the first place, but it is now handy. lol.
Good stuff. We have to be able to tell some jokes at this time. I'm tired of the news.
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Did an interview for you
https://21stcenturywire.com/20...oesnt-actually-work/
It’s much easier to read the transcript than watch video. Some source credential information attached below
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I read this when it came out, which was actually April 2, not April 15. There are two big problems with it. First, Wittkowski says "Well, what people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why." I think we all know why (and he knows why also) - it was so that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed, and would have time to prepare. It's completely false to say that that was not worthwhile. Tell that to doctors and nurses.
The second problem is that he says, "the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity." Again not true. Many things can make the disease less fatal, starting with a vaccine, and including all sorts of treatments. In the month since the shutdown, all sorts of those have been being made and tested; they even now know that outcomes are better if people are placed on their stomachs. The outcome next fall is likely to be different because of the advances that have been made in this month or two of shutdown.
I also read his scientific paper. Some of his numbers have been proven to be wrong. Even in this interview, he says he thinks there will be a total of 10,000 deaths; right this moment, the number is 37,000. IHME's models now track remarkably closely to the actual numbers (for today, they say 35,000), which indicates that the total, with social distancing, will be around 60,000.
I'd be more interested to know what he is saying right now, than what he said two weeks ago. He says in here that he thinks testing is useless, but he admits that maybe testing for antibodies could be useful. I daresay he is right about herd immunity, which is, of course, why everyone is saying that there should be a lot more testing. But he is not right about any of the rest of it.
I can handle the social distancing (admittedly I secretly enjoy it as most NYCers are hoverers by nature, we could barely maintain the 18 inches of personal space pre-pandemic). My rant this morning is this site's unfriendliness to mobile devices. I am trying my best to not to have Bruce Banner moment but it is really hard to read posts
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Best post of the week!
It is Past Time to Face Reality.
IHME lowered nationwide death projection 12%, from 68k to 60k. Florida was a large part of this drop, going from 4,738 to 1363.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jac...-coronavirus-phase-1
A small anti-body testing study in Chelsea, (Boston) shows 34% of people have the antibodies produced from exposure to CoVid 19, many times the amount expected. (Chelsea is somewhat analagous to New York in proximity of people, etc. I'll let someone who knows tell me if that is true or not.) https://www.bostonglobe.com/20...xposure-coronavirus/
While the meaning of Hoax has shifted over the last few years, this is beginning to smell much more like a media and politician driven hysteria. It's beginning to show the statistics of a normal respiratory flu season with some regions particularly hard hit.
